Can these lines be fixed?

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Noticed these lines and stuck pixels on my trusty old Samsung last night and I'm hoping there are some tricks to try and bring it back to normal

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The lines run all the way to the screen edge and the pixels go red on dark scenes.

If there isn't a way to fix it can anyone recommend a budget 40" TV as that is the max size I can fit in the space available. It's a second TV used mainly for TV but also occasional gaming, I've seen some 4k screens come in at under £300 but they all seem to be rebranded chinese models.

Like this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sharp-4T...t-LED-Television-with-Android-TV/303629362065

That's available for £263 while the ebay promo runs.

So are these cheap 40" 4k TV's just terrible or worth a punt for sub £300?
 
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Damn missed out on a decent priced Samsung UE40MU6400 refurb which would have been ideal.

The state of the 40" market is crazy, has everyone suddenly got bigger bedrooms or something. A 50" screen would look ridiculous where this needs to go, even if it did physically fit.
 
I think the only way you could fix it is if you got a replacement panel under warranty, it looks pretty terminal otherwise.
 
I think the only way you could fix it is if you got a replacement panel under warranty, it looks pretty terminal otherwise.

Sadly it's long past any warranty.

Cant seem to find any proper reviews of that sharp I linked to above. From what I've read 4k is pointless at this size and hdr is poor at this price range. However there arent many 1080p sets at this size either so really limited for choice.
 
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Damn missed out on a decent priced Samsung UE40MU6400 refurb which would have been ideal.

The state of the 40" market is crazy, has everyone suddenly got bigger bedrooms or something. A 50" screen would look ridiculous where this needs to go, even if it did physically fit.

Screen size has a lot to do with the economics of LCD panel substrate. This is the big sheet of LCD material that the individual panels are cut from.

Successive generations of manufacturing machinery makes it possible to produce larger sheets and therefore bring down the unit cost per panel. The panel manufacturers want to cut as many panels from a sheet as possible to reduce waste, so it may end up with a situation where it's cheaper to cut 43" glass from a later generation substrate than it is to use earlier gen' plant to make 40" screens.

Supply agreements also come in to it though. There may be ongoing contracts for certain screen sizes, and price renegotiations at the point where demand for 40" panels falls. This would rebalance the cost equation.

We shouldn't overlook consumer trends either. Given the option of a larger screen at a similar cost as a 40", most consumers will opt for bigger.
 
Screen size has a lot to do with the economics of LCD panel substrate. This is the big sheet of LCD material that the individual panels are cut from.

Successive generations of manufacturing machinery makes it possible to produce larger sheets and therefore bring down the unit cost per panel. The panel manufacturers want to cut as many panels from a sheet as possible to reduce waste, so it may end up with a situation where it's cheaper to cut 43" glass from a later generation substrate than it is to use earlier gen' plant to make 40" screens.

Supply agreements also come in to it though. There may be ongoing contracts for certain screen sizes, and price renegotiations at the point where demand for 40" panels falls. This would rebalance the cost equation.

We shouldn't overlook consumer trends either. Given the option of a larger screen at a similar cost as a 40", most consumers will opt for bigger.

Yeah I can understand why the manufacturers have moved that way, especially as anything under 55" seems a bit pointless 4k wise but you'd think they would still be targeting the smaller bedroom size in some form.

It seems my only real choice is these budget models, I'm tempted to just get the Sharp I linked at £263 as it looks unlikely that anything will be released at this size from the main brands when new models come out.
 
Yeah I can understand why the manufacturers have moved that way, especially as anything under 55" seems a bit pointless 4k wise but you'd think they would still be targeting the smaller bedroom size in some form.

The problem here is there's very little money in 'bedroom'-sized TV as a market. What happens in many cases is that the lounge TV gets relegated to the bedroom, so the bigger budget gets spent on the lounge set. That, or the thinking is "it's only the bedroom" and so it commands far less spend on a new TV.

Having this mindset wouldn't be so much of an issue if today's lounge sets were a minimum of say a grand and all the TV manufacturers were rolling in dosh, but that's not the case. They've all driven out costs to the point where only a few big players can afford to be in the market. This is your classic price war; only the biggest survive.

The casualties are not only the smaller TV manufacturers but also consumers because choice gets stifled. You've seen this most obviously in screen size, but it's also evident in the range of TV brands. Under the skin, lots of once-household-name brands are really the same TV with a few minor tweaks. The big players in this market are Vestel (Turkey), UMC (Slovakia), TCL and HiSense (China). Broadly speaking, if your telly isn't a Samsung, LG, Panasonic, Sony or Philips then there's a good chance it came from either a Chinese or European contract manufacturer.

This kind of contract manufacturing isn't unique to the TV market and it's not something new either. Apple doesn't make its own products. China's Foxconn has been making iPhones and iPads for years. Many other big brands rely on them for manufacturing services too. Some Sony TVs are made in Slovakia by Foxconn. The entry-level Panasonic sets are made by Vestel in Turkey.

To summarise so far then, the TV market is going to hell in a handcart, and much of the momentum has been provided by the TV manufacturers themselves in trying to beat their competition and grab an ever bigger slice of the market.

Next we come to the role of the supermarkets in all this.

It used to be that TESCO et al competed on volume and price in just groceries, but they figured out that shoppers are pretty much a captive market because of how frequently they visit the stores. Why not then sell them consumer electronics, clothes, banking, insurance, holidays, gas, electric, internet, health care products, tyres and even dabble in second-hand cars?

Since the supermarkets have little experience in no proper infrastructure to support their consumer brown goods sales (TVs, STBs, DVD players etc), then the only weapons they have are the constant footfall of visitors and volume pricing. The result is that all the supermarkets gravitated towards the cheapest of any range they sell. As a consequence then, they seeded price expectations in customers minds based on selling them crap.

When they started out, if you looked at TESCO shelves, their most expensive 50" telly might have been say £400 for a recognised brand. There'd then be a second tier brand for £50 less, and a 'value' product at another £50 lower step. Contrast that with a proper TV retailer who would have the same £400 50" TV as their entry level model, but then stock two or three products with substantially better specs at say £500, £700 and £1000. Someone who spent maybe an hour a week in a grocery store and walking by their "top" TV at £400 would suddenly be faced with a massive change in reality. That's a bitter pill to swallow and no wonder so often the call is rip-off Britain. However, it ignores the fact that the products aren't comparable.

It didn't take too long for the supermarkets to realise they needn't stock ranges. Just offer something really cheap. It'll still sell no matter how poor the quality. This has a lot to do with why there's so little choice outside of what could be termed mainstream product ranges.
 
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