Canon 5D MII prices dropping

D.P. said:
Maybe you are right and the 5DmkIII and it will be 22MP, but that would make a very strange line up for Canon. What will be the differences between the new 5D and the 1DX? This would likely mean there would still be a soemthing like a 1DXs in the work with a high res sensor, but then canon have already said that the 1ds and 1d lines have merged.
What would be the differences between a 22MP sensor and the 18MP in the DX, certainly not enough resolution difference to be noticeable.
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Potentially the same difference between a 7D and a 1D Mk4 - the 7D is just less of the latter in almost every sense, bar resolution.

5D mk3 may well be a 'cut-down' version of the 1Dx - there is no precedent for it not to be (5D mk2 vs. !Ds mk3 rings a bell).

However, don't presume Canon to go all 'logical' to us mere public: the 60D is more like the xxxD line when it probably COULD have been a baby full-frame effort, introducing a new range of punter to Canon's more expensive EF glass.

Personally, I'd be mildly surprised if Canon didn't go uber-resolution with the 5D mk3, but hey... who'd have thought Nikon was go that way with the D800?
 
There's lots of (probably wishful) thinking that there will be a 5D3 and a 5DX. One a high MP slow fps camera, the other a mid MP faster fps, high ISO, with top video features camera... I'd be all over an updated 24MP FF 5D? camera with decent AF! We just need to see if Canon stiff us with the AF again. They can provide better, but will they?...
 
Canon Rumours reported the other day that a 5D MK3 book from a respected publisher had shown up on Amazon in one country and another book site too.
 
So tempted to get a 5D mk2 with 24-70 f2.8. £2450 all in...

Starting weddings on my own this year and can only afford the one lens at the moment for the 5D and that one looks like the favourite.
 
5D's have historically had similar or lower mega-pixel ratings than the 1Ds sold at the time of release. Therefore it's likely that the 5D III will have an 18MP sensor, or maybe even 16MP but with the technology of the 1DX and the usual sub-par AF system you'd expect from a 5D.

That's only me thinking out loud though, I can imagine it being 22MP too, but certainly not 32.
 
Well there isn't a 1Ds anymore so that doesn't really hold up now, and since the D800 all bets are off! :D It'll be what it is, I just wish they'd hurry up and release it. To be honest it's a bit odd that nothing has come from Canon, they are either miles away from a replacement or what they have isn't going to measure up too well against the D800 perhaps, so it has all gone quiet (back to the drawing board!)?

If the 5D2 replacement doesn't have decent AF then I'm probably going Nikon (more likely a D700 than a D800). A few times recently I've wanted a smaller camera than the 1Ds2 purely for sticking it in a bag. In the hand or on a strap I don't have an issue with the size at all. However I went to Istanbul recently and didn't have room for the camera :( So I have been thinking of a smaller body with more modern features...
 
2Thumbs said:
5D's have historically had similar or lower mega-pixel ratings than the 1Ds sold at the time of release. Therefore it's likely that the 5D III will have an 18MP sensor, or maybe even 16MP but with the technology of the 1DX and the usual sub-par AF system you'd expect from a 5D.

That's only me thinking out loud though, I can imagine it being 22MP too, but certainly not 32.
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It's highly unlikely that it's going to be less than the 21.1mp of the current model, that would make no sense at all, it's got to be a bit more than that.
 
Nexus said:
It's highly unlikely that it's going to be less than the 21.1mp of the current model, that would make no sense at all, it's got to be a bit more than that.
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The 1Dx has less MP than the 1DsIII and both are full frame. Mega-pixel count doesn't always relate to IQ.

Canon aren't going to give the 5D an AF system that's as good as the 1D series because then very few people would actually buy the pro model.
 
Nikon are able to do it. The 7D didn't particularly impact the 1D4 sales. If Canon don't release a consumer full frame camera with decent AF this time around they're nuts. Very few hobbyists will pay the 6k they're asking for the 1DX just to get decent AF that works across all points.
 
mr tommo said:
When people talk about a sub par AF system on the 5, is it really that bad?
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I've not used one for an extended amount of time (no more than 20mins to be honest!), but there are others here with a 5D2. The centre point is very good, and with the assist points apparently works quite well with tracking. The biggest problem is the performance of the outer AF points, which is not so good. Focus\recompose is a method used a lot in order to get around this.

Derek on here uses one for football, and I think he has mentioned AF performance before. I was going to get a 5D2 but picked up a 1Ds2 first after researching the AF issues of the 5D2 (I'm a serial user of outer AF points as I like to compose in camera and not crop afterwards). For my uses it works brilliantly but it does have some drawbacks (it is a nigh on 7 year old camera!).
 
mr tommo said:
When people talk about a sub par AF system on the 5, is it really that bad?
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The AF system in the 5D was basic and already a little dated/old tech for a full frame camera high-end camera but no one really care because this was the first offering of a full frame camera at somewhat sane prices.
It was never really updated for 5DMKII in a sufficient way, so now it is really archaic relative to what the competitors can offer for the same money (Nikon D700, Sony A900/A850).

But the AF is just one area where the 5DMKII really lags behind its competitors, build quality, water proofing, metering, ergonomics, etc.


I have used the 5DMKII about 4 or 5 times for 15-20 minutes at a time in various light conditions. In normal daylight for static subjects i have no issues at all. For tracking fast subjects or when used inside such as church I really notice it lagging and I actually prefer to use my Nikon D90, more reliable focusing and often faster.

Some people claim using the center point works well. Well, that's fine if you want your subject slap bang in the center of the frame, in which case you should be using a point and shoot. You can focus and recompose but that is a really bad idea on a full frame camera if your are shooting some fast glass wide open (hint, your subject will no longer be focus). That is a technique that was used 25 years ago on the earliest film AF camera when they only came with a few points, it has no place for a high end camera this side of the year Y2K.
 
Nexus said:
Canon Rumours reported the other day that a 5D MK3 book from a respected publisher had shown up on Amazon in one country and another book site too.
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The same happened for D800 books over the last year, and D400 books for the last 18 months (and the D400 still hasn't been announced).

Of course there are some counter example when a new guide was released 1 month before the camera is announced.
 
2Thumbs said:
The 1Dx has less MP than the 1DsIII and both are full frame. Mega-pixel count doesn't always relate to IQ.

Canon aren't going to give the 5D an AF system that's as good as the 1D series because then very few people would actually buy the pro model.
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That second part is simply not true at all. Nikon has done this twice in only 2 rounds of FF camera. The D700 had identical sensor, AF, metering and all internals as the D3 (it actually offered some extras like sensor cleaning and a built in flash, but didn't the built in grip so high FPS and voice annotation).

The D800 has identical AF, metering and internals as the D4, but a 36Mp and not 16MP, and thus shoot slower. The body is smaller and lighter but still waterproofed.


Sony offers pro quality AF at similar or lower price points. It wll be a real shame if Canon don't make something competitive with the D700 let alone D800, AF wise. Will certainly make Nikon re-think its strategy if there is no comparable competition.
 
I think they will amalgamate the 7D II and 5D III into a FF all rounder that's fast enough and high enough res to satisfy the enthusiasts. I imagine the 70D will be bumped back up to fill the enthusiast crop segment.

Canon have said they are going to release a more video orientated camera, that brings more of the technology from the C300 into a dSLR, probably 4K video, and I think this will be the spiritual successor to the 5D II and feature mega res sensor.

Total speculation by me but would tick all the boxes.
 
Well that's the thing, the 5D III might not have the same AF spec as the 1D X, but it's got to have at least that of the 7D's AF System. To bring out a new camera, they need an incentive for people to switch from the mk II, or from something like the 7D.

I'd also add that while I don't have any figures, I believe that the 5D mk2 is Canon's biggest selling professional body, there are far more people shooting with them than the 1D line, consumers and pros.

For example, the 5D mk2 is the most used Canon camera on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/cameras/canon/?s=rank#models

The 1D series are way further down the list. There is no doubt that the 5D series is Canon's most important camera line, so they can't release anything half arsed.
 
Unfortunately whatever replaces the 5DmkII will disappoint a lot of people in light of the D800. Good on Nikon for giving Canon a kick.
 
I've got no interest in the high MP D800, it's quite interesting how many Nikon users aren't happy that there isn't a more direct replacement for the D700. Plenty of people would like to see lower MP and increased high ISO performance. I sincerely hope the 5D2 replacement isn't a high MP model, neither Canon or Nikon would be getting any of my money!
 
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