Canon 650D or 7D

If it's for filming, unless you're talking about filming in really bad conditions or positions where the build of the 7D will prove an advantage, it doesn't have anything to offer over the 650d.

That said, there's very little to separate Canon crop cameras from the 550d in terms of video as they're on the same sensors. Unless you need some of the newer features you might be better served picking up a 550d and putting the extra money you save on the body into lenses.
 
The 650D has the articulated screen can be really handy (the 60D is also well liked for this). I don't shoot video at all so can't give any feedback on the 7D. The 650D is also supposed to have AF when videoing, but I have no idea if that is effective or not....
 
Thanks for the input guys, well i think i may stick with the 650D, i've tested one and was very impressed by it. I'll also use it for photography but probably not as much as filming though.
 
What are you filming btw?
Personally as stills don't seem to factor much, I'd actually take a look at Sony. Very effective auto focus unlike just about every other DSLR, and all the lenses are stabilised. This means you can stick on some fast F1.4 primes and have smooth handheld video and very shallow DOF's or great lowlight ability, I don't think you can do that with any other system.
 
Yep I'd look into that. The ability to use fast primes during video (and have them be stabilised) is a huge boon and pretty much cancels out the low-light performance cost of the SLT design.
 
I love my 650d but if filming is the main objective then a non DSLR camera like the Sony will probably be better.

The continuous AF is a nice step in the right direction but the only two STM lenses available aren't that suitable for any low light shooting. The 18-135mm STM is only F3.5 at the wide end whereas the 40mm STM is better at F2.8 but doesn't have IS
 
This weekend, I took delivery of a 650d to replace my ageing 350d

I did look at the 7d, but only the weather sealing would have appealed, and I fancied the swivel screen and focussing points of the 650d - not to mention the fact that I can update the firmware of my 40mm pancake.

So far, I love the camera :D
 
Yeah there's a lot to like about the 650d imo but if your main interest is video then I think there's better out there (anything that isn't a DSLR it seems)
 
It's a shame I had high hopes about the 650D camera the quality looks amazing as well. This forum has defiantly kept my options open. Shall look at other makes as well.
 
It's not really the cameras problem - as far as DSLRs then it's one of the better suited cameras for videos. You can get better results with custom firmware on some older cameras (550/600d or 5d2 etc) with an external mic and manual focus but if you're looking for point and shoot auto focus video on a DSLR then the 650d seems to be the only option so far. The STM lenses focus in and out smoothly and quietly as intended so don't really get picked up by the onboard mic unless it's very quiet.

Despite the new features, the fact it's a DSLR means that a decent continuous AF is harder to achieve than it is with mirrorless cameras.
 
Phal said:
It's not really the cameras problem - as far as DSLRs then it's one of the better suited cameras for videos. You can get better results with custom firmware on some older cameras (550/600d or 5d2 etc) with an external mic and manual focus but if you're looking for point and shoot auto focus video on a DSLR then the 650d seems to be the only option so far. The STM lenses focus in and out smoothly and quietly as intended so don't really get picked up by the onboard mic unless it's very quiet.

Despite the new features, the fact it's a DSLR means that a decent continuous AF is harder to achieve than it is with mirrorless cameras.
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The Sony SLT's auto focus much faster than any other DSLR in video due to them using phase detect for it and every lens is stabilized.

Its an awesome combination and for the casual user, if video is important its really a no brainer.

I miss my A77 :(:mad:
 
Also the Sony SLTs are pretty much the only cameras around with phase detect AF, not just the only DSLR style cameras. Most video cameras, if they have autofocus, and most mirrorless cameras, have some form of contrast detect, which still means that they're a lot slower than the Sony system. The downside of the sony system is that you have to be careful that focus tracks properly otherwise it'll snap back and forth a lot, but the upside is that you only need to be slightly careful to get awesome looking video without needing to manual focus.
 
ManCuBuS said:
The Sony SLT's auto focus much faster than any other DSLR in video due to them using phase detect for it and every lens is stabilized.

Its an awesome combination and for the casual user, if video is important its really a no brainer.

I miss my A77 :(:mad:
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If I'm understanding this correctly (feel free to correct me) the reason that the Sony has better continuous AF isn't because it has phase detection. Both the cameras have phase detection but only one of the cameras is a true DSLR (the 650d).

The Sony is an SLT camera as the name indicates. This results in faster/more reliable AF because more light is available for focusing.

I just tried to find the article I read about this but can't :/ This article explains it a little. It seems that it's not a pure phase detection AF but a hybrid.

http://www.canonwatch.com/review-just-another-rebel-the-t4i650d-as-a-technology-sandbox/




Back to the original subject - the Sony is better for video :P
 
The Canon can only use contrast based AF for video because the mirror has to move out of the way.

This is slow and unreliable for anything moving faster the erosion. Canon can dress the 'hybrid' system anyway they want, I've used it and its garbage.

Its smoother and quieter with the STM lenses yes but its certainly not faster.

The Sony's use a translucent mirror which is fixed and therefore light is hitting the Phase sensor constantly because it doesn't have to move.

The Sony is only better for video if you want AF and stabilization, if the intent is to manually focus I'd probably go with the Canon as they allow more control over some of the more in depth settings.
 
I wouldn't say the hybrid system is garbage, it's an improvement on any prior attempt and I'm all for them coming up with new tech. Who knows, they might get it working to a more acceptable level in the future :)
 
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