Canon EOS 6D vs Nikon D610
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So no vested interest in either system at present? Is this your first DSLR?
If so then there's so much more to choice of systems than just the camera. Think about what you want to shoot and then work out what lenses you're going to need and compare and contrast those also.
If so then there's so much more to choice of systems than just the camera. Think about what you want to shoot and then work out what lenses you're going to need and compare and contrast those also.
Neither Canon or Nikon are doing anything innovative. Sony is the only company trying to be innovative with cameras, you can get FF NEX, APS-C NEX, SLT SLRS, lensor things that attach to your phone, FF fixed lens pocket cameras, etc, etc.. Sony are trying everything possible to see what works and try to gain market share. The upshot is a very discontinuous set of system with barely adequate lens support but if you find the lenses you want and can put up with the quirks then there are some great inventions -A7R for example (pity about the AF). The FF NEX just shows what they are trying you can get 12MP, 24MP and 36MP with different AF in each.
Canon and Nikon are happy to improve the classic formulas. Couple of exceptions, Canon introduced the idea that you can have a TC built in to a lens (200-400) and Nikon has made the concept of not needing a AA filter mainstreams (yes it was done before by Leica and MF, but not for DSLRs)
Sigma is being much more innovative with lenses lately - 18-35mm f/1.8 is probably the most interesting lens for a decade or 2.
What pees me off about Nikon and Canon is they don't bother releasing any nice DX/EF-S primes like a 16mm f/1.8 etc. They are both content in releasing 18-XXXmm lenses. Fuji is doing much better in this regard!
EDIT: SO what do you really expect out of this thread. You haven't given any information about what you want out of a camera, what you shoot, what the limitations of your current camera are, why you think canon is more innovative than Nikon, what lenses you are interested, what your budget is etc. You haven't asked for any aspect that need clarification.
I assume you have comapred features and looked at sites like DXO to compare sensors. To get good information about other things you really should just buy or rent them and try yourself. Stuff like ergonomics is very personal. No where reviews Autofocus in any object manner, and even then there is often subjective differences in what is better. E.g. One camera might lock on focus faster but have more errors, also Canon focus tracking tends to lock on the subject with less ability to swap subjects while Nikon don't lock so rigidly onto a single subject and is easier to move (but more likely to drop tracking). Which is better is entirely subjective, ideally the camera would let you choose how much weighting to give.
Thom Hogan writes some of the best reviews:
http://www.dslrbodies.com/cameras/current-nikon-dslr-reviews/nikon-d600-review.html
Canon and Nikon are happy to improve the classic formulas. Couple of exceptions, Canon introduced the idea that you can have a TC built in to a lens (200-400) and Nikon has made the concept of not needing a AA filter mainstreams (yes it was done before by Leica and MF, but not for DSLRs)
Sigma is being much more innovative with lenses lately - 18-35mm f/1.8 is probably the most interesting lens for a decade or 2.
What pees me off about Nikon and Canon is they don't bother releasing any nice DX/EF-S primes like a 16mm f/1.8 etc. They are both content in releasing 18-XXXmm lenses. Fuji is doing much better in this regard!
EDIT: SO what do you really expect out of this thread. You haven't given any information about what you want out of a camera, what you shoot, what the limitations of your current camera are, why you think canon is more innovative than Nikon, what lenses you are interested, what your budget is etc. You haven't asked for any aspect that need clarification.
I assume you have comapred features and looked at sites like DXO to compare sensors. To get good information about other things you really should just buy or rent them and try yourself. Stuff like ergonomics is very personal. No where reviews Autofocus in any object manner, and even then there is often subjective differences in what is better. E.g. One camera might lock on focus faster but have more errors, also Canon focus tracking tends to lock on the subject with less ability to swap subjects while Nikon don't lock so rigidly onto a single subject and is easier to move (but more likely to drop tracking). Which is better is entirely subjective, ideally the camera would let you choose how much weighting to give.
Thom Hogan writes some of the best reviews:
http://www.dslrbodies.com/cameras/current-nikon-dslr-reviews/nikon-d600-review.html
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I think nikon is more rugged & functuonal and canon is more fancy with touch screen & better at video.
Yes I agree with innovation, even the nikon flagship d810 can't do 4k video.
Yes I agree with innovation, even the nikon flagship d810 can't do 4k video.
Yes, god forbid that sensor performance would influence my purchasing decision.
Oh give it a rest. While there are differences between sensors, claiming the Nikon D610's is "much better" is utter rubbish.
And god forbid that factors other than the sensor might be relevant to the OP's decision.
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Going off snapsort
2 stops better dynamic range
Less noise at higher iso
Greater image quality
I'd say that's enough to say the sensor in the 610 is much better
The Nikon also has a better focus system
Greater view finder coverage
2 card slots
Faster fps
On paper if they were of a similar price then the Nikon looks better imo
Saying that the 6d is far from a bad camera and you may prefer the ergonomics or other features the Nikon may not have and tbh if you have invested in one brand already then it makes sense to stick with it unless you can sell your current gear for a decent price
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Yeah I have to admit coming from a Nikon D90 to a D610 I noticed I could pull in a lot more detail in post, almost like making HDR from one image.
For landscapes deffo the D610 but I suppose depends if you already have some Canon lenses or will be more into video.
An annoying thing about the D610 video is you cant change the aperture when shooting video which was deliberate by Nikon in order to differentiate it between the D800.
For landscapes deffo the D610 but I suppose depends if you already have some Canon lenses or will be more into video.
An annoying thing about the D610 video is you cant change the aperture when shooting video which was deliberate by Nikon in order to differentiate it between the D800.
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Check this one out, I was able get the highlight of the sun plus the shadow detail in the tree from one image.
Lol, what a joke of a site.
Nikon sensors have noticably better performance at the bottom end which helps with shadow detail recovery, that's all. If you expose properly this is a non-issue.
Tests on DPReview look pretty much identical to me, or as close as makes no difference. (Actually looks like the 6D has a bit of an edge at high ISO with the D610 on a par with the 5D3)
Lol, very object measurement that
I'd say that's enough to say the sensor in the 610 is much better [/quote]
Umm, yeah whatever.
Quote possibly but that's actually my point. Not only was I taking issue with the claim that the D610's sensor was "much better" but also with the assertion that this criterion alone was sufficient to choose between them. Obviously it's not and there are many other factors, some of which you've mentioned.
Personally I think all the current full frame sensors are "equivalent enough" to render other factors far more important in any decision between bodies.
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It's good enough for a quick side by side feature comparison
if you expose a high contrast shot for the highlights on both cameras then the d610 will recover more shadow detail without degrading the image much, that is an important benefit to some
Speaking from experience with a d600 and 800 recovering shadows compared to a 5dc with an nd grad the Nikon files look better imo
Dxomark scores the d610 about 15-20% higher
Lol, very object measurement that
Again taken from dxomark ,The score is takes into account colour depth, dynamic range and ISO performance
Ok you don't agree despite many benchmarks for various sites showing that to be the case
Price for price I think the nikons offer more bang for the buck but no modern full frame bodies are bad. Infact I still think my old 5dc images are of stunning quality
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6D feels nicer in my & wife's hands... but the a/f system is severely lacking compared to 610/800/5d3 and it was the a/f that convinced me to go for the higher spec model alone.
Ended up going for d800... the ergonomics feel better with time IMO, Canon is better thumb-supported... whereas d800/d610 seem to be better finger-supported... if that makes sense
One thing that was swaying me towards Canon to begin with was colour balance... the images just looked warmer and more welcoming coming from Canon cameras... all that needs is a little tweak in the Nikon menu or in post.
My Uncle is a 30-year professional & he made my final decision Canon vs Nikon... even if local friends have Canon which would have made lens loans easier.
What I get from most people is quite simple... "buy what your friends have"... makes the most sense if some of you have different lenses and you're not planning to buy an endless supply of them
Try them side by side... one thing I would recommend you focus upon is the A/F system... that was the biggest decider for me when I was making my mind up.
On paper, I didn't think I would care so much about the a/f system... but it using it only in a store environment, I could tell the difference instantly and I wouldn't have been happy with the slower model, the D610 system is better than the 6D from what I have seen... and if you plan on doing any moving-object photography, it will make a huge difference.
Ended up going for d800... the ergonomics feel better with time IMO, Canon is better thumb-supported... whereas d800/d610 seem to be better finger-supported... if that makes sense
One thing that was swaying me towards Canon to begin with was colour balance... the images just looked warmer and more welcoming coming from Canon cameras... all that needs is a little tweak in the Nikon menu or in post.
My Uncle is a 30-year professional & he made my final decision Canon vs Nikon... even if local friends have Canon which would have made lens loans easier.
What I get from most people is quite simple... "buy what your friends have"... makes the most sense if some of you have different lenses and you're not planning to buy an endless supply of them
Try them side by side... one thing I would recommend you focus upon is the A/F system... that was the biggest decider for me when I was making my mind up.
On paper, I didn't think I would care so much about the a/f system... but it using it only in a store environment, I could tell the difference instantly and I wouldn't have been happy with the slower model, the D610 system is better than the 6D from what I have seen... and if you plan on doing any moving-object photography, it will make a huge difference.
6D feels nicer in my & wife's hands... but the a/f system is severely lacking compared to 610/800/5d3 and it was the a/f that convinced me to go for the higher spec model alone.
Ended up going for d800... the ergonomics feel better with time IMO, Canon is better thumb-supported... whereas d800/d610 seem to be better finger-supported... if that makes sense
One thing that was swaying me towards Canon to begin with was colour balance... the images just looked warmer and more welcoming coming from Canon cameras... all that needs is a little tweak in the Nikon menu or in post.
My Uncle is a 30-year professional & he made my final decision Canon vs Nikon... even if local friends have Canon which would have made lens loans easier.
What I get from most people is quite simple... "buy what your friends have"... makes the most sense if some of you have different lenses and you're not planning to buy an endless supply of them
Try them side by side... one thing I would recommend you focus upon is the A/F system... that was the biggest decider for me when I was making my mind up.
On paper, I didn't think I would care so much about the a/f system... but it using it only in a store environment, I could tell the difference instantly and I wouldn't have been happy with the slower model, the D610 system is better than the 6D from what I have seen... and if you plan on doing any moving-object photography, it will make a huge difference.
I know what you mean about the d800 being more finger supported and as you say the ergonomics feel better with time, I never really consider the ergonomics these days as I would learn to live with them , unless they were very poor
The focus on the 6d is pretty similar to the old 5dc and it's something that was never really an issue for me although I never shot fast moving subjects, the focus on the d600 and 800 is great though for all kinds of shooting
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Yup - it was that first feel/comparison that made me want Canon over Nikon... just a personal preference thing, I also happen to prefer the Canon menu system over Nikon... but that's only a small thing.
First feel... I really thought the Nikon was rather unpleasant in my hands... weird, all it took was a little time and I'm very happy with the camera, even how my hand fits to it... so it was just an odd little tweak for me, not as major as it appeared first hold... which is why it was worth identifying for the OP
I'm glad I listened to advice... I'm happy with the quality of photos I'm getting for sure and it was a nice surprise to see quite how quickly I got used to the ergonomics, so it wasn't anything to worry about. But then... I'm sure I would've been happy with the quality of any of these cameras...
Fair enough, I've made a bit of a jump from point and shoots to dSLR with my latest purchase, my last SLR was film based
For me, it was using the side-by-side... the 5d3 & 6d... with the 5d3, it was as if the focus was in place and I was ready to take the picture as soon as my finger had finished travelling the length of the shutter release.
With the 6d, I had to half-press... wait... then take the shot... and I knew straight away it would bug me knowing about that relatively minor difference, even if I wouldn't use it all that frequently... given that you regularly frame, focus & shoot rather than just going for the shot... but there was something about that difference & a bit of a difference in the shots that just pushed me over the edge to want that bit more.
It can really bug me when I know there's a better model out there & spoil some of the enjoyment for me when I notice that every time I take a photo (or similar for other things)... I wouldn't easily be able to shut it out.
The photo enthusiasts I know near me all have 6Ds and weren't bothered about the difference like I was... so it's not for / doesn't bother everyone
With the Nikons... both 610 and 800... they seem really close to the 5d3 a/f, if not better in some areas, although I still prefer the 5d3 a/f system... part of the thing that swung my decision was the idea that 5d4 might be out by end of next year, silly thing, i know... but I may end up with a 5d4 too when it's released, use them side-by-side for a while and see what I prefer in real world use. So I won't be investing in much more glass for now, I have all I want for now, minus the Nikon 85mm 1.4g & a macro lens (tempted by the 105 f2.8 micro cash back offer on atm).
Focus tracking with both the Sigma 35 1.4 Art & Nikon 70-200 2.8 is astonishing... really impressive.
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