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Redknapp has sent in his application for the England job
Poll: Capello quits
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Eh?
Every tournament in memory we have approached it the "English" way
"GET STUCK IN LADS!!!1!1!!"
"HOOF IT TO THE BIG GUY!!!11!1!1"
"ERRRR.... damn out of ideas out of the tournament again"
People bleat on about passion, getting stuck in, playing for the shirt yadda yadda. That is code for "ok you lot are **** but we'll try hard" it's what you say to the fat kids at school when you know they are going to lose not what you should be expecting of "elite" atheletes.
We are not a good footballing nation, we are not a tactical nation, we are not a talented nation. This is what needs to change not get an English bloke in charge with 50k fat ***** behind him screaming "three lions on a shirt" before going on a riot when they get beat.
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The players coming through for England now are far more technically capable than those before them though. I genuinely have more faith in this crop than the previous lot.
My god are you even watching the same team as me? Do you even watch football in the Premiership? We have not had a team that has been set up to play in a style suitable for English football since Bobby Robson. The FA has been playing catch up since then, constantly trying to get in someone who could play the football that has been successful in the years prior, no matter where it has come from. The style of football you are talking about is used in lower leagues, yes, but has not been seen in the top level of English football, other than at Wimbledon or Stoke, for decades.
When Man Utd won the champions league did they play like that? Does any of the top 6-7 teams in the Prem play like that? English football is about moving the ball quickly, one touch passing, pressurising the opposition and counter attacking. Seriously can't believe you posted that drivel. Do you ever even listen to players who move over to England and almost always say they are amazed at the pace of our game?
When Man Utd won the champions league did they play like that? Does any of the top 6-7 teams in the Prem play like that? English football is about moving the ball quickly, one touch passing, pressurising the opposition and counter attacking. Seriously can't believe you posted that drivel. Do you ever even listen to players who move over to England and almost always say they are amazed at the pace of our game?
Redknapp has sent in his application for the England job
This made me lol.
This I agree with. Though it will be another generation wasted with the likes of 'Arry at the helm telling them to get stuck in and all the other rubbish instead of trying to play football.
Perhaps I labelled the style of play as Billy on the street would scream it out but essentially what I said boils down to the style that you have described in a pretty way. Run round a lot, chase everyone and if we get the ball get it up fast. Rinse and repeat.
If you truly, honestly believe that the best thing for us to do is to continue to play like England I can just hope and pray (in vain I know) that the FA will not listen to this view.
It has come to be widely recognised that the EPL is exciting but not the best league in the world because the style of football is not conductive to challenging at the top levels. We aren't getting near any Euro trophies on a club level anymore since every half decent team has realised that if they just keep position we will be blowing out our collective behinds after 45 minutes and nor are we at a national level.
I'll continue this debate later if you want but I'm off to take my son for a walk and then to the pub for a steak, but I'll check in later
Perhaps I labelled the style of play as Billy on the street would scream it out but essentially what I said boils down to the style that you have described in a pretty way. Run round a lot, chase everyone and if we get the ball get it up fast. Rinse and repeat.
If you truly, honestly believe that the best thing for us to do is to continue to play like England I can just hope and pray (in vain I know) that the FA will not listen to this view.
It has come to be widely recognised that the EPL is exciting but not the best league in the world because the style of football is not conductive to challenging at the top levels. We aren't getting near any Euro trophies on a club level anymore since every half decent team has realised that if they just keep position we will be blowing out our collective behinds after 45 minutes and nor are we at a national level.
I'll continue this debate later if you want but I'm off to take my son for a walk and then to the pub for a steak, but I'll check in later
I give up. If that's truly how you believe the top English teams now play you are a lost cause.
I'll put it in laymans terms. What I would honestly like to see when England play is something similar to how Tottenham are playing at their best. God knows we have the players to do it, and do it better than Tottenham. Hart's a capable keeper. England would have a better central defence than Tottenham. Cashley, as much as it pains me to say it, is just about still better than Assou Ekotto. Walker and Johnson are much the same. England have speedy wingers. They have decent ball playing midfielders in Parker and Wilshere and whatever backup you want to take. Take your pick of players to play the Van der Vaart role and stick Rooney up front.
I genuinely believe that if we play a tempo and style that our players are used to playing for their clubs, we will get far better results.
That's my thinking, like it or not the Premier League is more important to English football than international football is...
Now that we've turfed Capello out I don't think there's really any point in hiring a first class manager for England. Anyway, most of them (ie. Mourinho) will not be willing to ruin their CV managing us, Harry might because he's at the end of his career.
IMO we could hire Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho, Pep Guardiola & Harry Redknapp combined and I still don't see our squad doing any better than the quarter finals unless we get a lucky run in.
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Really, I cant see a better finishers in this crap than Shearer, a better crosser than Beckham or a better passer of the ball than Schloes
Only good thing we have is a goal keeper in Hart. Not only are we getting weaker other nations are getting stronger.
Hardly, the way capello pushed him around like he was a naughty schoolboy.
he was brought up under cloughie, he knows u don't mess with the gaffer,know the little chavs in the team is another matter entirely
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This.
People cried out for his style of management and now demonise him for doing exactly what we wanted (same happened with Newcastle and Souness, except we demonised him for being ****) Its hardly Capello's fault that;
a) our players aren't good enough.
b) out of a squad of 21, they can maybe scrape to together an IQ of 21.
c) their combined mental age is substantially lower than 21.
We have a squad peopled with average players who are petty, spoiled brats who believe they are a damn sight better than they actually are and will quickly duck for cover and blame a manager for their own failings as soon as things get troubled. Nor does it help that our media scrupuosly (spl?) dig up every bit of **** they can to stir up trouble to sell papers, disrupting things in the process and then wondering why things go wrong.
People need to wake up and get their ******* tongues out of these players behinds and realise that they are the problem and they will continue to be the problem as long as players are treated the way they are.
The VERY simple problem with that being, Capello continued to choose the same players game after game, that Capello or Sven would have chosen.
Capello did NOT HAVE TO CHOOSE THOSE PLAYERS, this is where yours and just about everyone elses theory that the players are completely to blame falls apart. Arsenal/Utd/Chelsea might spend, well theres a good example, 50million on a striker who can't score anymore. They have no choice but to try to get him to play well by playing him as he's getting around 10mil a year to not score either way. England have no such restriction........ player playing crap, bring in a different player.
But then you get excuses of, but who would you bring in instead of Rooney, or Terry, or Gerrard, or whoever, well, if they aren't playing well for England, and infact are playing utter crap, then there are lots of players who could play better FOR THAT SPECIFIC TEAM, even if technically you wouldn't rate them as highly as another player you might drop.
Seriously, look at who Capello did/didn't play with. Johnson and Barry were caught against Germany incredibly badly and easily each time, Barry's reading of the game is poor and his utter lack of pace compounds that. Terry's lack of pace is OFFSET by his reading of the game, not made worse by it. Barry shouldn't have been in the team in the past 5 years, let alone starting, same with Johnson.
Again I'll point out, Capello brought on HESKEY, in the only important game to somehow win it for us. That isn't the players fault, that is 100% Capello's fault. There were probably at least 10 players in the squad who shouldn't be there, and another 5 who simply do not work in that particularly team and set up, that is entirely the managers fault.
As for the question of discipline, what a laughable over reaction by everyone, Fergie has a very different style to other managers, yet, do you see him taking his whole team into isolation for the season, allowing the players zero downtime? There is a far cry between letting them party all night long with all the girlfriends around all the time, and the press, and everyone else, and living in the middle of nowhere with nothing to do and unable to speak to anyone. We went from one extreme to the other, while every other team was sensibly in the middle the whole time.
With the exception of Wilshere, which players coming through are even as technically capable as the 'golden generation', let alone more capable?
Exactly what I was thinking. None of the so called golden generation even got close to potential for England. Apart from Neville was any of them actually putting in regular decent England performances.
I agree I don't see any of these newer players being a patch on the last crop and they mostly turned in average performances once they settled in to the england way.
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Is that the early 90's golden generation, the late 90's golden generation or either of the two 2000's golden generations?
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If Harry dont want it, I think they should let Stuart Pearce manage them.
Lee Bowyer and Jon Woodgate were not allowed to be selected for International football whilst waiting for their trial back in 2001, so why didn't the FA take Terry out of the equation? A precedant had previously been set.
What a mess.
Let Pearce manage the friendlies and then give Redknapp the job for the tournamant.
Decide on a long term manager after the Euros.
What a mess.
Let Pearce manage the friendlies and then give Redknapp the job for the tournamant.
Decide on a long term manager after the Euros.