Car with different engine

GT3 · 17 May 2006 at 10:31

Might be a stupid question but, if I put a Saxo VTR engine and wheels and badges on a VTS and thus making it a VTR can I sell it as a VTR and will the new owner be able to insure it as a VTR? They have the same engine size and it doesn't say anything on the log book about what model it is. Other differences are ABS, passenger airbag and alarm but these were options on the VTR anyway.

Just asking as I'm buying a VTS today and having the engine and wheels off it, if not then I'll just break it for parts as no-one would buy a VTS with a VTR engine due to insurance issues!

GT3 · 17 May 2006 at 10:35

[TW]Fox said:
No, you can't. The VTS will be classed as a modified car, and insurance will be a right pain. As will the VTR if you put the VTS stuff on it.

Keep them standard, flog the VTR and drive the VTS. Transplanting a VTS engine into a VTR seems a tad pointless.

The VTS is a bit rough cosmetically and in a naff colour so wouldn't really want to drive it. It's also older, could do with a new exhaust and needs tax

GT3 · 17 May 2006 at 10:43

Lashout_UK said:
Then get a cheap exhaust, whack 6 months tax on, tidy it up a little and sell on as an 'ideal first car'

Surely that would defeat the object of buying it

And what ideal first car has group 14 insurance

I'll probably break it for parts

GT3 · 17 May 2006 at 10:45

Lashout_UK said:
Ah sorry, I skimmed the bit about you looking at buying it

Couldn't you find enough cheap bits to put it back together? Nicer to flog off the whole thing in one hit, make a little project of it too

I'm not just buying it for making money, theres not THAT much money to be had out of it. I just want the engine and wheels

GT3 · 17 May 2006 at 11:04

btw just in case anyone is questioning my sanity.

It's £900 for a 2000 V reg VTS with 45k and fsh but no MOT or TAX, has dent in passenger door, lock damage by attempted theft, has decat so wont pass MOT and owner needs to sell it TODAY hence the price.

My car is mint, seriously like brand new with 25k miles. I wouldn't find a saxo like this again for under £4k probably especially a VTS.

I could sell my engine for £300, my gearbox for £150, my wheels for £150, stereo out the vts for £100, interior out the vts for £100, driveshafts for £50 each. Thats my £900 back already then theres all the panels, rear beam, glass, suspension, brakes, airbags etc which could pay for say new engine mounts, new cambelt, new rocker covers etc to make sure its mint when in my car.

GT3 · 17 May 2006 at 11:33

Yeah thats only thing im worried about that it hasn't been run in a while. I'm suspecting it will just need engine flush, oil and filter change, tappets are hydraulic so they shouldn't need adjusting, maybe running rough due to decat messing up lamda reading. Dunno will have to see.

GT3 · 17 May 2006 at 11:44

It also helps that I will be able to do the work myself, only tricky bit will be soldering the wiring looms together but not impossible.

GT3 · 17 May 2006 at 11:47

Tesla said:
If he HAS to sell it TODAY then offer him less!

The price is not an issue, its stupidly cheap and has about 5 people interested but I'm the most local so have the most chance of snapping it up.

GT3 · 17 May 2006 at 17:57

Coco said:
Pull your skirt up & get it guvnor!!!
Nice little project for you!

Just waiting for him to answer my questions! Looks like it doesn't have to be sold today after all because hes sending me pics tomorrow, I might just go and look at in anyway dont want someone else buying it!

And project? pah half an hour job

GT3 · 17 May 2006 at 18:02

Shootist said:
Cheap for a V reg perhaps and in a rush to sell. Reminds me of a bloke on the BBC documentary who bought a £14k BMW for £2k from a lad outside Radcliffe auctions and was surprised to find it was an o/s stolen.

We have v5's and HPI checks for a reason you know.

GT3 · 18 May 2006 at 01:02

-Mike- said:
Do the newer vts's suffer from head gasket failure around that mileage mark as the old 106 gti's/vts's seemed to?

Think its more double that mileage mate, rocker covers tend to seep a bit of oil but head gasket should be ok, not a hard job to change anyway when engines out the car so will probably do headgasket, waterpump, cambelt and tensioners before I put it in mine.

GT3 · 18 May 2006 at 01:34

Burned_Alive said:
Track car!

Snap it up and strip the hell out of it, would be awesome for track days

Maybe but haven't really got the time, space or money for a second car.

GT3 · 18 May 2006 at 17:16

Ok new plan.

My mate is buying mine for £3k. I buy that one for £900, new door, new cat, new tyres (already have in garage), good service, full valet and polish up, MOT and tax it. so total cost around £1200. Now a 2000 VTS with 45k miles and full service history in generally good condition has gotta be worth £2500. So thats £1300 profit. Add that to my £3k and buy something like this:

http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WW...category=CARS&channel=CARS&id=200618235293147

Or a 106 GTI but it would be a 2001 example with 40k instead of a 2003 with 20k.

GT3 · 18 May 2006 at 18:04

GT3 · 19 May 2006 at 00:56

[TW]Fox said:
Why not fix it up and keep it yourself? Don't see the point in selling it so you can buy another one more or less identical.

Its old and not exactly what you'd call a minter.

Oh and dadofsam your welcome to have the crappy hot air sapping induction kit, might need slight modification to fit a vtr throttle body though.

GT3 · 19 May 2006 at 01:37

[TW]Fox said:
It's a 99, it's hardly ancient although I guess it is a Saxo.

Well its a 2000 actually but yeah in the choice of a 2000 or a 2003 one with half the mileage which would you have?

GT3 · 19 May 2006 at 01:43

[TW]Fox said:
But the 2003 one is 4 grand, that one is 900 quid..

But the 2003 one will be mint, the 2000 one well not. I suppose I could keep the other 3 grand in the bank and be safe in the knowledge that this one isn't going to be worth less than what I paid for it in a loooong time. Then sell it when I get my clio. Hmmm good thinking fox!