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So I recently completed a course on Electrical Installation (level 3) with an aim to starting a career as an Electrician. Obviously a long way to go just yet but looking at possible job vacancies they are all asking for a ECS card.

1. What is it?
2. How do I get one?
 
For ECS Gold card you need...

NVQ Level 3
18th Edition
Some sort of apprentice qual (2330 level 3 etc)
Possibly an Inspection and Testing qualification (2391-52)

and a H&S qualification

....as far as I'm aware
 
Mmm ok,

The course I did was the EAL 9331 (Level 3 in Electrical Installation) so according to the link above, I'd need employment sponsorship and numerous other things before I can get the ECS card. Well that makes perfect sense. Need a card to get employment, can't get employment without the card.
 
Out of interest how old were you when you decided to train as an electrician and has the course provider given you any idea on how likely you are to find employment that will provide on the job training?

I'm assuming that you can't just do the course and then start work, do you not need some time as an apprentice as well?
 
Started the courses (level 2 first, then went on to level 3 at the cost of ~£4k) a few years ago, finished the level 3 this month. I knew I wasn't going to walk right into a job but knowing the hoops that are required to jump just to even get considered makes me think I just wasted the money. Had it been made clearer from the start I might have done something else instead. I'm approaching the end of my 30s :)
 
Yeah, the reason the jobs you're looking at require ECS is because you're looking at the wrong jobs. Those jobs asking for ECS are for qualified Engineers/technicians with adequate experience. Neither of which apply to you.

Most common route is apprenticeship. You need to find someone willing to take you on knowing that they're going to have to train you at the same time. This will mean you won't get paid much for a few years but there is no 4k course in the world that will qualify you to be an electrician.
 
Started the courses (level 2 first, then went on to level 3 at the cost of ~£4k) a few years ago, finished the level 3 this month. I knew I wasn't going to walk right into a job but knowing the hoops that are required to jump just to even get considered makes me think I just wasted the money. Had it been made clearer from the start I might have done something else instead. I'm approaching the end of my 30s :)

I only ask as I was looking at some courses and noticed when reading their material that the providers gave very little information about the step required between finishing the course and finding employment. I'm not far off your age and the idea of being on an apprentice wage would be difficult to say the least but could all be worthwhile in the end.

I've seen some replies in the home and garden forum from electricians so perhaps they'll be able to give you some insight.
 
The jobs I'm looking for are things like Electricians Mate etc, apprenticeships are a no go as the rate of pay is abysmal, I have no idea how a teenager manages let alone someone much older.

I think you're going to struggle if you won't accept apprentice wages. Apprentices are who you are directly competing with and tbh they're probably better equipped/qualified.
 
This is the kind of thing I'd have asked beforehand - and did!

I couldn't see a way of becoming fully qualified without essentially going through an apprenticeship.
 
The jobs I'm looking for are things like Electricians Mate etc, apprenticeships are a no go as the rate of pay is abysmal, I have no idea how a teenager manages let alone someone much older.

Living with mum&dad.

It’s possible, but you’ll need to get extremely lucky with an employer willing to not only invest in you but also give you the time off to study.
 
The jobs I'm looking for are things like Electricians Mate etc, apprenticeships are a no go as the rate of pay is abysmal, I have no idea how a teenager manages let alone someone much older.

You need to start at the bottom of the ladder and work you way up - Trades need experience and you only get that by working your way up. Your not going to earn £30k+ a year from the getgo
 
"Electrician" means many things to many people.

You can literally know nothing and go house bashing and make a bit of money.

Or you can be educated up the eyeballs towards Electrical Engineering...

It is such a vast spectrum.

I agree the ECS is a bit of a pain, even I can't get the ECS Gold card because I don't have the NVQ level 3 (which is essentially a portfolio of practical work type assessment) but I have done plenty work.

There is a mature entry to gain the NVQ level 3 for those of us that haven't gone on to do a traditional style apprenticeship I think its the 2357-99, but again it requires you to be employed so they can assess your practical work.

End of the day, I recommend going around either giving a hand to local electricians to get some experience and possibly from there get a foot hold in the door. Or take a pay cut.
 
"Electrician" means many things to many people.

You can literally know nothing and go house bashing and make a bit of money.

Or you can be educated up the eyeballs towards Electrical Engineering...

It is such a vast spectrum.

I agree the ECS is a bit of a pain, even I can't get the ECS Gold card because I don't have the NVQ level 3 (which is essentially a portfolio of practical work type assessment) but I have done plenty work.

There is a mature entry to gain the NVQ level 3 for those of us that haven't gone on to do a traditional style apprenticeship I think its the 2357-99, but again it requires you to be employed so they can assess your practical work.

End of the day, I recommend going around either giving a hand to local electricians to get some experience and possibly from there get a foot hold in the door. Or take a pay cut.

Taking a pay cut isn't an issue as long as its enough to cover current expenses., happy to beans n toast it for a few years just to get started in something I can hopefully pass on younger members of the family in the future.
 
An ECS card in itself shouldn't be a problem, they are just a specific version of the CSCS card. All you need to do for an ECS is pass a multiple choice Health and Safety test. The ECS card does however list a grading as per the JIB criteria, and this is where you might come a little unstuck, you'd unlikely be able to get graded as an electrician, but you could probably quite easily manage to get one with electricial trainee, or electrical labourer on it.

If they are just asking for an ECS, this is usually just from the POV of getting on sites (you generally cannot get on any resonable sized site without CSCS/ECS. If they want you to have any particular JIB grde this is normally requested separately, a lot of places will ask for JIBN approved (The three 'main' grades are Electrician, Approved Electrician, and then Technician).

My advice would be to get an ECS card as an electricial labourer or improver then sign upto an agency and see what they can get you onto, as long as you are vagely competant, arrive on site on time, dont take the **** with smoke breaks, then you'll be alright, no one expects anything too amazing from agency, you are only really expected to turn up with a tool bag and perhaps a drill driver, no vast expense of expensive tools or test gear needed. You might get stuck with liddling up miles of dado trunking or flexing up a never ending stream of light fittings to drop into grids at first, but you can progress from there.
 
@MadMossy send me your cv fella. I’ll have a look and suggest a few options.

A few questions though to help others understand what you want to do:

As mentioned above electrician can mean many things, what exactly do you have in mind? Installs or maintenance? What kind, domestic, commercial or industrial?

Are you able / willing to work nights / weird shifts? Can you do call outs? Where are you?

Probably the weirdest question of the lot but are you willing to travel / be way from home for a few days / weeks at a time?

And most importantly, what’s the lowest salary you can drop to and for how long?

If you’d rather drop me a trust that’s cool too, I need a copy of your cv anyway as that’ll help narrow things down a bit :)
 
Where do you live?

I started off with 0 experience or qualifications at the bottom and am now a qualified maintenance engineer. Can point you down the same route i took depending on where you live.

Training wages are normally 20-22k in my industry
 
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