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cat 10.3 .. meh

Random-Rabbit

Random-Rabbit

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I was dissapointed when cat 10.2's realised as they still hadn't resolved my ongoing system freezes.

still getting system freezes in adobe products and web based flash video. Just incase anyone is wondering .. yes I've checked everything, and yes it definately is a GFX issue, proved more so if I use driver sweeper and remove all drivers I have no problems ... but then I also get a stretched low res screen :(

So anyone out there with these same problems hoping that the latest 10.3 cats would solve the issue .. it dosen't.

nm .. I'm so pleased I spent my money buying a £140 graphics card that dosen't work.

ohh and just for a giggle I emailed 'club ati' my card manufacturer explaining the problem and they have ignored me ... great customer service there :P

I know there likely to be more expensive for comparible performance but as a point of principle I think I may have to turn to the 4XX Nividia's

I just don't have any faith in ati solving these issues in good time and I work as a graphic designer and can't afford to either spend half my time cold booting or working with the GFX drivers uninstalled.

sorry rarely moan but in this case I think it's justified
 
Flash is fine, and the third beta is great, finally having gpu acceleration that works. If you have a problem with flash, it's probably flash. It's buggy, slow to be updated, has a fair amount of bad code.. Heck, adobe still hasnt fixed the lip sync issue. The drivers are fine, unless there's a fault with the card you have another issue.

Oh and next time make the effort to ask for help. Posting a thread just to moan doesn't help anyone :p
 
5770 working flawless with the 10.3a's here, no windows/flash problems at all.
 
Random-Rabbit said:
I was dissapointed when cat 10.2's realised as they still hadn't resolved my ongoing system freezes.

still getting system freezes in adobe products and web based flash video. Just incase anyone is wondering .. yes I've checked everything, and yes it definately is a GFX issue, proved more so if I use driver sweeper and remove all drivers I have no problems ... but then I also get a stretched low res screen :(

So anyone out there with these same problems hoping that the latest 10.3 cats would solve the issue .. it dosen't.

nm .. I'm so pleased I spent my money buying a £140 graphics card that dosen't work.

ohh and just for a giggle I emailed 'club ati' my card manufacturer explaining the problem and they have ignored me ... great customer service there :P

I know there likely to be more expensive for comparible performance but as a point of principle I think I may have to turn to the 4XX Nividia's

I just don't have any faith in ati solving these issues in good time and I work as a graphic designer and can't afford to either spend half my time cold booting or working with the GFX drivers uninstalled.

sorry rarely moan but in this case I think it's justified
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When you are the only one with these types of issues, it would lead me to believe your system is incorrectly configured in someway.

I use Adobe products everyday on a couple of machines which have newer 5*** ATI cards in them and I have no issues.
 
trust me I've spent the last 2 months asking for help, lots of peeps have tried and I do appreciate that but nothing works for me ... now I've given up.

If all I wanted to do was play games and watch videos then my ATI is immense. This isn't a slurr ont he quality of the card and it's performance(when it works) but more a public shout at AMD & Club ATI for not addressing severe driver issues. Unfortunatley I need full use of adobe products and I can't use photoshop or after effects for more than 2 min without having to reboot.

Raven XXX2 - your probably right, something in my build is throwing the drivers but I can't for the life of me find it... I've tried everything

apoligises again for the moan .. like I said I don't like to do it but in this case I have, I feel cheated buying a card that isn't working and angry that after months of patiently waiting, emailing and posting for support I'm still no better off. My only option is to spend more on another brand in the hope it works with no issues..
 
unknownsock said:
I'm sure theres more too it than that.
Also...did you just mention driver sweeper? :o

9/10 problems are user related. People forget that.
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agreed, but no matter what I do I can't seem to fix this. The only way to use the system is to remove the drivers all together or not use adobe products which was the main point of the build.

In this case I would like to suggest the problem isn't user related but system compatibility which makes it the card manufacturers responsbility to provide support and working drivers
 
Random-Rabbit said:
agreed, but no matter what I do I can't seem to fix this. The only way to use the system is to remove the drivers all together or not use adobe products which was the main point of the build.

In this case I would like to suggest the problem isn't user related but system compatibility which makes it the card manufacturers responsbility to provide support and working drivers
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Yes but it could also be a problem with another part, maybe even a driver conflict with another driver which isn't just ATI?

Although i have just remember i had 2 crashes over the weekend and the only thing ive changed is 10.2>10.3a. Although my OC is abit borked could be just bad lack.

Sure it couldnt be the adobe products as its only them? Have you tried any others?
 
did you try disabling power-play? download gpu clock tool from techreport, reboot comp, when you get to desktop open gpu clock tool, add 5Mhz to both clocks and hit set clocks, it stops powerplay kicking power levels down. Try all the flash stuff that screws it up, see if its fixed or not.

It only disables powerplay until a reboot(or messing around with other overclocking settings with other apps or reinstalling drivers), if it does work, stick the link to the gpuclock tool .exe in the startup menu and when you boot 2 clicks and 5 seconds and you're sorted.

Not the fantastically best method, but the more aggressive you go in power saving, the more problems you have in general. IT takes a long time for drivers, new hardware, and windows to sync up with the best powersaving tech.

The problem is, open up a game and 3d clocks are easy to restore and detect, but windows doesn't really have any obvious functionality to tag things with hardware acceleration thats not at a heavy load within a game, and tell the gpu to speed up and not flick up and down.

Greyscreens, i got the only one ever when I didn't disable powerplay in the 10.2's, not had one before or since. IT was from an update that changed very slightly it would seem, how the powerplay type settings change.

Nvidia will most likely have its own version of these issues(though some worked out by AMD/MS working on them possibly) with what will likely also be heavier use of power saving techniques.
 
Random-Rabbit said:
agreed, but no matter what I do I can't seem to fix this. The only way to use the system is to remove the drivers all together or not use adobe products which was the main point of the build.

In this case I would like to suggest the problem isn't user related but system compatibility which makes it the card manufacturers responsbility to provide support and working drivers
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Your logic is flawed I feel. Have you tried the card in a separate system to see if the problem still exists? Have you tried a different card in your system to see if that isolates the issue? Any system builder worth his salt always has a few cheap spare parts lying around to quickly be able to check individual components.

Photoshop and Acrobat work perfectly fine here.
 
if the cards knackered rma it, trying to blame drivers for a broken card/system problem wont solve the issue, iv got the whole adobe suite and use flash regularly, running 10.3a's with a couple of 5770's working flawlessly, have been since the day they came out. since theyve not been out a year just send it back to where you bought it with a comprehensive report on whats wrong with it, you should get a new one and all will be happy in the land of adobe :)
 
Thanks for your suggestions

I have tried disabling the 2D power saving using both msi afterburner and the CCC profile method, this hasn't resolved the issue.

As for other programs strangley everything seems ok with the exception of adobe ... I was wondering if this is specifically an opengl issue ? although I have disabled GPU acceleration in the adobe products and I still get the freezes.

also I have put my card in another machine using win7 32bit and it works fine (mine is 64bit) I have also put an old nvidea card in my system and that works fine so to me the only varibles left are win7 64 and my system build.

I good point made though, I'd be very naive to assume buying a Nvidia card would solve all my issues in one go .. there are bound to be early release issues.
 
Hello,
just though i would add a comment, I had very similar issue when i installed my 5970 on my sytem which was previously fine .
I started getting constant blue screens and lockups in IE etc, after much tinkering I found that disabling load line calibration in my bios and PCIe spread spectrum resolved the issue completely. so far i have had no problems since .
hope this helps, although not every MB is the same it might be worth having a look into.
 
I have a XFX 5870 and it has had consistent GSOD, black screen and artifacting issues. 10.3 hasn't fixed this at all. My previous 4890 ran A-OK for 9 months with no probs at all in the same system. It's clearly a card issue.
 
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