Changing the Pop kingpins

[Mr_White]

I'm not trolling at all, I just find it hard to believe that he can live with that as his daily driver.

For anyone deciding to flame me, you'd honestly swap your car for that pop, and be happy driving it every single day, in all conditions?

Heh.

 

[Lopéz]

Lol, I've driven things far "worse" than Jonny's Pop on a daily basis.

But then everyone is different and has different standards of what they can accept or tolerate.

I drove the 205 GTI around for 6 months, a mate wanted to borrow it to go to North Wales, picked it up and had dropped it back within the hour. He refused to use it because he "didn't think it would make it"

Faults listed?

Custs out sometimes at traffic lights
Indicators didn't self cancel
Handbrake efficiency poor

 

[JRS]

you'd honestly swap your car for that pop, and be happy driving it every single day, in all conditions?

In a heartbeat.

***edit***

Though it must be said, the temptation to shoehorn a V8 in might overwhelm me.

 

[Mr_White]

Fair enough.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great car, I could just never have it as my only daily driver, ever.

Yes, now put a V8 in it and some modern safety measures, and we'll talk

 

[[TW]Fox]

In what way is there a difference? 50% is 50% whichever way you look at it, and 50% extra power will give a significant improvement in performance whether it's a Ford Pop, a Cosworth or a Massey Ferguson.

I see his point. It's like overclocking a Duron 600 today. 50% gain. Pointless.

Whereas a 50% gain on a Core2Duo E4300..

As for being fun - I genuinelly wonder if, in 50 years time, people will collect 1999 Ford Escort 1.6 Flights and say 'They are right fun to drive!'. Becuase it's exactly the same principle - it's a 50 year old Escort. If it's rubbish now how can it improve with age?

 

[vanpeebles]

I see his point. It's like overclocking a Duron 600 today. 50% gain. Pointless.

Whereas a 50% gain on a Core2Duo E4300..

As for being fun - I genuinelly wonder if, in 50 years time, people will collect 1999 Ford Escort 1.6 Flights and say 'They are right fun to drive!'. Becuase it's exactly the same principle - it's a 50 year old Escort. If it's rubbish now how can it improve with age?

some people just cant grasp it, it would still be 50 percent faster. if your used to a 600 duron and improved it by 50% you would notice the difference.

 

[Jonny69]

Quick random question.

Whats its 0-62mph time?

It doesn't go that fast

I'm not trolling at all, I just find it hard to believe that he can live with that as his daily driver.

For anyone deciding to flame me, you'd honestly swap your car for that pop, and be happy driving it every single day, in all conditions?

Heh.

I think what you're missing is you sit in your bland ncap eurobox every day getting frustrated with everyone trying to squeeze one car ahead in the traffic and you live in a bland house painted cream inside with beige carpets with furniture from Ikea because it's a bit less dull and more sensibly priced than the stuff from MFI. This is all very sensible and I'm pretty certain you probably don't do much interesting stuff and your job probably doesn't interest you much. You can't understand people who are different who might want to do linger outside your safe little box, but I don't like beige and life is too short to go worrying about whether my car has seatbelts or not. I ride a bike the rest of the time and I don't have that branded as unsafe even though I am much more likely to die on that or stack it into someone else than I am in an old Ford pop. Noises don't bother me, I like getting my hands dirty and if I break down I fix it and drive on. I don't drive slowly, the only person I am holding up is you.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Thats a lot of insulting and sweeping generalisations just becuase he doesn't like your car, don't you think?

 

[Mr_White]

I think what you're missing is you sit in your bland ncap eurobox every day getting frustrated with everyone trying to squeeze one car ahead in the traffic and you live in a bland house painted cream inside with beige carpets with furniture from Ikea because it's a bit less dull and more sensibly priced than the stuff from MFI. This is all very sensible and I'm pretty certain you probably don't do much interesting stuff and your job probably doesn't interest you much.

Right, so because I wouldn't want your ford pop as my daily driver, that all applies to me?

Even though none of it is true.

Awesome logic.

I like old and classic cars, I just couldn't live with your pop in the state it is as my daily driver.

If you want to get personal, then stay several hundred feet away from my car in the event I have to perform an emergency stop, only you can't stop, you plough into the back of my car, you fly through your windscreen and into my car, and you get killed.

Driving knowing you'll die in the event of an accident is great fun!

 

[vanpeebles]

its spoiled good threads like this that remind me why i only come on here once in a bluemoon

 

[Mr_White]

its spoiled good threads like this that remind me why i only come on here once in a bluemoon

You're the one who accused me of trolling instead of letting the guy answer for him self, don't act innocent.

If he doesn't want to discuss his car he shouldn't start a thread about it, tell us how rubbish it is, and that he drives it everyday, and then get upset when anyone else calls it rubbish

It's surely going to raise some questions.

 

[JRS]

Thats a lot of insulting and sweeping generalisations just becuase he doesn't like your car, don't you think?

It's hard not to get personal when people are always saying "OMG how can you drive something so crappy and old every day?", gets very old very quickly.

I like old and classic cars, I just couldn't live with your pop in the state it is as my daily driver.

Fair enough.

If you want to get personal, then stay several hundred feet away from my car in the event I have to perform an emergency stop, only you can't stop, you plough into the back of my car, you fly through your windscreen and into my car, and you get killed.

I'm absolutely certain that Jonny drives his car knowing just how much of a gap he needs to leave in order to stop safely. Comes from actually driving a car that needs to be driven, as opposed to being sat in a thoroughly modern, thoroughly competent car and tooling along with no idea of what is going on around you

Driving knowing you'll die in the event of an accident is great fun!

I've driven several cars where that really was part of the appeal. Hell, if I ever have a large crash in my Seicento I probably won't survive it. Just makes me take that bit more care about what I'm doing

 

[Jonny69]

Thats a lot of insulting and sweeping generalisations just becuase he doesn't like your car, don't you think?

Totally not. I post on this forum for a bit of fun, a break from the norm of what gets posted here and an insight into what it's like driving something other than a sub 5 year old car because some people like reading it. I don't post to get my threads trolled especially when it's technical pictures of worn out mechanical components that I'm replacing. I can take banter but if you don't like what I'm doing or if you don't agree with it then don't post in my threads.

What was it that big hairy belly button lint fairy thing in Ren and Stimpy said? If you don't got nothin' nice to say don't say nothin' at all.

 

[[TW]Fox]

I think some people need to learn what a troll actually is before they fling the accusation around in every thread - here is a hint - a troll is not someone who merely disapproves of something you do or holds a different opinion to you.

You can't expect to be able to post an insight into something so different without people asking, well, why. There are so many different views and opinions on this forum it's only natural you won't get a thread full of people slapping you on the back and telling you how amazing you are.

Thats what single-make forums are for.

 

[JRS]

I think some people need to learn what a troll actually is before they fling the accusation around in every thread - here is a hint - a troll is not someone who merely disapproves of something you do or holds a different opinion to you.

You can't expect to be able to post an insight into something so different without people asking, well, why.

Indeed. But there is a slight difference between asking what someone sees in a particular car as a daily driver and veering off into fairly sarcastic remarks such as:

I take it all back, it's obviously an awesome and safe car, that has no problem moving under it's own weight, and is fine as a daily driver

On it's own, not all that offensive. But when you hear/read that same kind of response ad nauseum, it starts to grate. You of all people should appreciate just how annoying it can be to hear the same thing over and over and over again directed at you, given how many times you've been got at for apparently recommending BMWs to all and sundry.

 

[[TW]Fox]

On it's own, not all that offensive. But when you hear/read that same kind of response ad nauseum, it starts to grate.

But thats just an occupational hazard of not towing the partyline, don't you think? We all get it.

 

[Mr_White]

Indeed. But there is a slight difference between asking what someone sees in a particular car as a daily driver and veering off into fairly sarcastic remarks such as:



On it's own, not all that offensive. But when you hear/read that same kind of response ad nauseum, it starts to grate.

I would agree, I'd look like a **** had I not just quoted several examples of Jonny himself taking a pop (get it? ) at his own car and saying how rubbish it was.

In that scenario it's not really that bad at all.

 

[Lopéz]

Driving knowing you'll die in the event of an accident is great fun!

I seem to be increasingly alone on this one..... am I the only person in the world who doesn't choose (or not choose) a car on the basis of how it would fare in an accident? It's never ever even crossed my mind, and I'm not exactly some brave "fear nothing" kind of person.

 

[JRS]

I would agree, I'd look like a **** had I not just quoted several examples of Jonny himself taking a pop (get it? ) at his own car and saying how rubbish it was.

Great. Now I get to add poor jokes to your list of crimes

In that scenario it's not really that bad at all.

I agree. Hence why I said your post wasn't offensive. It's just that the sheer number of times you hear or read responses like that that don't qualify the sarcasm at all....it really does get hugely annoying.

Hell, I'm guilty as well with the number of cracks I've taken at Vectras and BMW 3 series on here. Nobody's perfect

BTW, when you get a chance would you answer my question from this post? Never did get a reply from you

 

[Mr_White]

BTW, when you get a chance would you answer my question from this post?

No, I was going to end up losing the debate, so I chose to erase it from my mind, I reject your reality and substitute my own.

I seem to be increasingly alone on this one..... am I the only person in the world who doesn't choose (or not choose) a car on the basis of how it would fare in an accident? It's never ever even crossed my mind, and I'm not exactly some brave "fear nothing" kind of person.

I'm not that obsessed either, but things like brakes that actually work, seat belts and a frame that isn't made out of recycled spam tins or has the strength of them, is nice to have