Cheap first Home Cinema setup

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Hi there, I've been toying with the idea of a projector setup for some time and I've found some bits around in different places and wanted some opinions from those more experienced than me.

Optoma 183X = £338 new or (£273 used like new) or Benq W1050 = £450 (or £389 used very good but no remote)

Homegear 100" electric motorised screen £75

Sony BDV-E2100 5.1 surround/Home Cinema System £189 (says it's 1000w but reviews say it's not that loud)

All in £537 with the Optoma plus some cables

Is it worth doing this on the cheap like this or will I be disappointed?

We currently have a 42" Panasonic Smart HD TV (about 5/6 yrs old) which will stay for now. The projector setup will go upstairs in the gaming room for movie nights while wifey watches her serial drivel on the TV.
 
Projector - Yes

Budget electric screens in general - lots of problems with screen rippling. If £75 is the budget then you're better off painting the wall white and saving the cash

Audio system - yep, the power spec is a joke. The system consumes 95W from the mains, yet somehow manages to output 1000W to the speakers?..... Yeah, right. If that's the case then Sony should get out of the AV business and go in to power generation. Turning 100W in to 1000W is a bloody neat trick. It's akin to turning lead in to gold. Those boys are wasted making tellies and surround systems. lol.

The E2100 is cheap sound. It'll work. The bass will be just thump thump thump. The centre, fronts and surrounds won't sound that sophisticated; they have just a single driver in each so the fidelity is limited. That's what you get for your money. At a similiar price though, the alternatives will be the same kind of all-in-one system from Samsung, LG, Panasonic etc.

Better quality audio is available, but not for the sort of money that the Sony and its ilk sell for.

AV systems based on an AV receiver from Yamaha, Sony, Pioneer, Denon, Onkyo, then combined with a speaker kit from Yamaha, Canton, JBL, Elac, Tannoy, Wharfedale are typical 1st time buyer systems for those looking for more flexibility, better quality, and better residual values when it's time to upgrade. Add a BD player, games console, media streamer etc to complete the package.

There's a big market in used gear too. If your display is 1080p then you don't need a 4K UHD AV receiver, so you pick up really good AV receivers for under £100. Add a used Wharfedale/Tannoy/Canton speaker system for £100-£150 and a used BD player for £30 and you'll have something that sounds much sweeter at low volumes and high.
 
Thanks Lucid, good to hear the projector is decent. Wall is not an option sadly, there are fitted wardrobe doors one end and a window opposite. So I need a better screen?

There will be a networked PC in the room, could I just do away with the AV receiver and get something like a Wharfedale DX-1 SE 5.1 Speaker Package plugged into the onboard sound (X58-UD3R mobo) or get a killer sound card? Films are all stored on my NAS and will be streamed via the PC and hdmi to the projector anyway.

Actually just spotted a manufacturer refurb Yamaha RX-V381 on the bay for £180 would that do the trick? Should be quieter than the PC (although I can turn the fans down on the PC)
 
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Screen... yeah. These super-cheap ones are a false economy in my experience. There's just not enough money in a £79 rrp to make something with a decently thick screen material that has half-a-chance of laying flat when unrolled.

When you break the price down and consider VAT, shipping from China, goods handling, parts cost (electric motor, roller mech, case work, packing), plus labour, safety testing to British/Euro standards, import duty, cost of sales through Amazon/Ebay, credit card merchant charges, admin/sales processing costs, warranty support.... oh, and profit margins for the manufacturer and reseller; that's a lot of mouths to feed from a £79 screen, so ask yourself how much is really left to pay for parts?

There was a thread updated a couple of days ago in this forum where a guy had bought a Platinum brand tab tensioned screen a few years ago. That was still a budget screen, but he reported it was still looking good some 2-3 years later. His was large by bedroom standards, and I think the cost was around £250-£300. Smaller screens would be cheaper. The point is it was still about 1/2 or even 1/3 the price of the better known brands. A good buy then.

In order to narrow down your choices and get a better idea of cost, you need to start by working out the sort of image size that the projector will generate at your given throw range.

Remember that the projector is going to be generating some heat, so you mustn't wedge it hard up to a back wall. It'll need at least 20cm clearance to the back and sides to keep the air flowing past. You then need to work out the distance from the projector lens to the screen. This is your throw distance.

Most manufacturers have calculators on their web sites to help folk dial in the number they have and get the resulting screen size. Bear in mind that some projectors also have a zoom lens. This makes it possible to increase or reduce the image size a little. So, if your screen size turns out to be two numbers, that's because they worked out the image sizes for minimum and maximum zoom.

At a 3m throw distance, the Optoma will give you an image width (the side-to-side maeasurment, not the diagional) of 155~173cm. That converts to screen diagonals in inchs of 78"~87".

Looking at screen sizes, the Platinum 84" Tab Tensioned sits within that min/max screen size. That screen is £250

Re: Speakers...

Home cinema speakers don't work like PC speakers. A sound card - even a kick-ass one - doesn't have the amplification built in that the speakers need in order to work.

If you want to connect speakers directly to a sound card, buy a computer speaker kit where the subwoofer bass unit includes the amplification for the channels.

BTW; the Sony E2100 isn't an AV receiver. It's an all-in-one system. A very different beast. A-in-Os are only designed to work with their partnering speakers. If one or the other breaks, the whole system is going for recycling.

An AV receiver is something different. For a start it's a stand-alone device. People pick and choose the AV receiver separate from the speakers and sources. When upgrade time comes around, they'll keep their speakers and just change the receiver for.one with better features or more power. It's a modular approach; same kind of idea as building a PC where you might change the MB and processor but keep the case, PSU, RAM and HDDs.
 
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Get a second hand Amp off the bay or local Facebook groups, will be miles better than any all-in-one you can buy for similar money.
 
Thanks for the detailed response lucid, much appreciated. Found a tensioned screen for a little over £200, might be able to stretch the budget for that.

Also looking at Yamaha av receivers and wharfdale speakers, probably work out more like £700 max...
 
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