Children and teens cannot understand the consequences of transitioning

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Finally, some sense is coming out [no pun intended] about this. I remember saying years ago that allowing children/teens to 'transition' was idiotic, and now some of them, having done it, are speaking out against it:

In a witness statement before the court, Ms Bell [who began taking puberty blockers when she was 16], who began "detransitioning" last year, said: "I made a brash decision as a teenager, as a lot of teenagers do, trying to find confidence and happiness, except now the rest of my life will be negatively affected."

She added: "Transition was a very temporary, superficial fix for a very complex identity issue."
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54450273

Sex change regret is a real thing.

https://sexchangeregret.com/

I think that the decision should be unallowable until age 21. I think even 18 is too young, when teens can be hugely influenced by their friends, hormones and social media. 21 is still too young, I think, but it's a fair midway [if I could make the law it would be 25].

What are OCUK's thought on this, is Ms Bell talking sense or not? What kind of age would you impose if you had your way?
 
I didn't realise that this was a thing (at this age I mean)

Its madness to allow anyone below a "sensible" age to make what could be asuch a life changing decision
 
kedge said:
I do hope they all find the wisdom or prudence to move forward with their lives in a positive manner.

Hundreds of trans people regret changing their gender, says trans activist
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Very interesting, especially this sentence.

One 21-year-old woman who reached out to Evans said gender reassignment did not help her gender dysphoria
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This goes to show that chopping off parts of your body is, in many cases, a mental illness and that making physical changes to yourself only helps in the short term, but brings greater long-term distress. Unfortunately, as long as these things go unregulated and are, moreover, approved in the cause of progression [and business], the more damage will be done. What really needs to happen is a long-term, considered, government-undertaken study as to what this dysphoria really is about before people are allowed to "transition" to another sex. But as long as there is money to be made out there and on social media, these people will continue to be the real victims.
 
I'm undecided on this issue really, while I think children are too young to make such significant decisions, I've seen women start taking testosterone in their teenage years after using puberty blockers and years later they are really happy and are pretty attractive as a guy tbh.
 
I think a very, very, small proportion of the population are the wrong sex and would be happier living as a member of the opposite sex, however popularising a sex change as a viable option for anyone who expresses an interest in doing so is very dangerous.
 
Energize said:
I'm undecided on this issue really, while I think children are too young to make such significant decisions, I've seen women start taking testosterone in their teenage years after using puberty blockers and years later they are really happy and are pretty attractive as a guy tbh.
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There will always be a percentage where it is the correct decision, but I imagine that percentage will be quite low, with no real way of knowing if it was right until its too late
 
Not old enough to be criminally responsible for ones actions but old enough to know what gender you want to be for the rest of your life.

Welcome to modern society folks.
 
Giving children puberty blockers should be a criminal offence, it's an attack on human nature. The main problem though is children undergoing these procedures are impressionable and (I would wager in most cases) conditioned into such behaviours by pushy parents or peer pressure at school. I don't know what today's schools are like but if you're trans on social media you're treated like a celebrity.
 
mmj_uk said:
if you're trans on social media you're treated like a celebrity.
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This is another major part of the problem - people with low self-esteem who are impressionable, desperate for attention and confused know that they will get a lot of support on social media if they transition and I imagine, for some, this is a draw.

When an acquaintance of mine announced he was transitioning everyone jumped onboard to support him. Then I looked at the photos of this 50 year old man in a lopsided wig and makeup 'before' transition and I felt desperately sorry for him. His wife left him and his family fell apart. He looked sad and confused and I was the only one who said he needed help. Of course nobody agreed.
 
Lysander said:
Very interesting, especially this sentence.



This goes to show that chopping off parts of your body is, in many cases, a mental illness and that making physical changes to yourself only helps in the short term, but brings greater long-term distress. Unfortunately, as long as these things go unregulated and are, moreover, approved in the cause of progression [and business], the more damage will be done. What really needs to happen is a long-term, considered, government-undertaken study as to what this dysphoria really is about before people are allowed to "transition" to another sex. But as long as there is money to be made out there and on social media, these people will continue to be the real victims.
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I agree, but I'll go further and say that nobody should be allowed to change their gender. As you say, it seems to be some form of mental illness which might be further evidenced in later dates, when their actions are too far-gone to be reversed. :(
 
Eurofighter said:
I agree, you should have to be over 18 and have the doctors approval to have a sex change.
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Although I hate to generalise a whole age group/range - even 18 in this case IMO is too young. We get many school leavers, etc. working in the warehouse where I work some temporarily some longer term - and so many aren't even close to knowing what they want from life, etc. (though I rarely meet many people who truly do). IMO 90% of them wouldn't be ready to make a decision like this until they hit around 21.
 
Dis86 said:
Not old enough to be criminally responsible for ones actions but old enough to know what gender you want to be for the rest of your life.

Welcome to modern society folks.
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Would have to agree. All kids/ teens are confused. They have hormones a plenty, no idea what's going on with themselves and trying desperately to "fit in" whatever that means and haven't yet come to work out their identity. ****, more adults haven't worked that out yet so allowing a teen to make permanent decisions like this is madness.
 
Without getting into all the ******** that tends to follow this sort of thread around, i'll just make my point.

The problem here is two-fold, firstly and with minimal expansion - The troubled family unit as well as the lack of authority elsewhere creates an environment where parents are both out of their depth and with nowhere to turn for advice... so how do you deal with a child who dissociates from their sexual identity? You can't just leave it as they're undoubtedly being bullied for not being 'normal', the child is certainly engaging in confirmation bias as they use the internet and eventually they are going to settle on this 'solution' since there's nothing else out there telling them otherwise. The risk of suicide also being higher puts the impetus on parents to hurry a solution without the proper duty of care, as such letting the child lead out of fear that criticism, dismissal or obstruction could lead to not having them around at all.

Secondly - The disgraceful state of mental healthcare in this country, I'm willing to bet that most people who transition haven't had a decent exploration of their issues with their identity with a GP or whoever is at the end of that (very) long line for the current clearly inadequate provision of mental health professionals. With total ignorance about what's really affecting someone's judgement, how can a 'treatment' be administered?

It's clear to me that there's definitely a problem with these children (could be genuine dysphoria, could be something else entirely) and most of them aren't being treated in a reasonable manner, I don't consider this acceptable.
 
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