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chipped SoA

Mr-White

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Bought an xp3200 off ebay which turned up this morning and inspecting the core its chipped along one edge. I know these are pretty fragile as the cores are exposed and proned to chipping but I've had worse and still worked fine. I'm currently installing windows with it and will prime95 it later but as it wasn't described as chipped, is this a good enough reason to get a refund ? If it matters I paid with paypal.

MW
 
have had many chipped cores in the past on the athlon socket A systems and all of them worked with no problems. to be hones with the age of these cpus a few chips here and there are expected on cpus that have been passed along and mounted many times with different coolers. unless there is a massive chip or fracture alone the core its still going to work without any problems.
 
How on Earth do they keep working if they've got a chunk of core logic chipped off? :eek:

I suppose this is why they put heatspreaders on em.
 
its not the core logic thats chipped, its just the die packaging area. the chip itself is proper tiny and no where near the edges of the rectangle core you see on the cpu. so even if there are chips in the packaging the cpu works perfectly fine. but if you even damage a tiny part of the core the chances of it working are 1 in a billion.

if the cpu you had even installed windows fine and ran prime then if be happy to say its 100% perfect working order. sending it back was a mistake on your behalf.
 
I've had SoA chips with worse damage and still worked fine but it was the fact that it wasn't mentioned in the auction that kinda got to me.

Have been running it since yest and had 2 lock ups so don't think it's 100% stable as i need it to be :(

MW
 
That xp3200 was fine.
A liitle bit of damage on the edges is to be expected on a CPU of that age.
As others have mentioned the core itself is in the centre and unless you have a crack all the way across it will be fine.

If you did have a damaged core the computer wouldn't post let alone boot windows.

As to the stability i think you are looking for excuses to justify your knee jerk reaction.
The AMD XP's were not rock solid mission critical chips, and the XP 3200 was pushing the envelope. so a bit if instabilty is too be expected.

Enthusiasts loved them so did Gamers but folks who needed stability bought Intel.
 
PCZ said:
As to the stability i think you are looking for excuses to justify your knee jerk reaction.
The AMD XP's were not rock solid mission critical chips, and the XP 3200 was pushing the envelope. so a bit if instabilty is too be expected.

Enthusiasts loved them so did Gamers but folks who needed stability bought Intel.
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Thats a pile of..

The XP3200 was hardly pushing it, i've had quite a few and have had 2-400MHz overclocks out of all of them with no instance of instability. They weren't particurarly hot either so heat was'nt a big problem. AMD would'nt release the chip if it could'nt do the speed needed with stability as the reprecussions would hurt a lot, if it was 'pushing' it then why would they downbin many for the 2500+ which almost as a rule did 3200+ speeds with little to no extra vcore? i suspect yields were good and 2200Mhz was easily done . By the time the 3200+ was out, socket A was a long mature platform (which was always the issue, NOT the cpu) and was quite as stable as any intel platform. I've worked in the IT industry for years, the guys who've always harped on about AMD vs Intel stability really annoy me :p

As to the OP, the cpu was fine, its only the top substrate that was knicked and it'd be 100% fine and as said its to be expected at that age unless the cpu was advertised as unused/new.
 
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ahhh, socket A. i loved my little thoroughbred B. i got some sky-high overclocks out of this cpu, and its still running to this day in my old nf7-s.
 
None of my SoA CPUs have ever been chipped even when i was water and phase cooling them and i didn't realise people sold on chipped CPUs :confused:

The auction specified used but did not specify there were chips, as i mentioned to the guy he should have described everything that was different from when it was new. If i had known there were chips i probably wouldn't have bid on it.

I did not have a knee jerk reaction, if i was to buy something by mistake i'm not the person who would ask for a refund. i would sell it on my self but then who's to say the person i sold it onto wouldn't have the same reaction as me.

He offered me £10 off but the price was never the issue and he agreed to give me a refund if i paid for the postage back.

MW
 
If the core is fine, then the chips are only cosmetic, and once under a heatsink will not be seen. Since it actually POSTed, then its usually 100% fine as once the core itself is chipped it'd be 99.9% toasted. Well i guess you know now if you get a chipped cpu in the future and it works.
 
Justintime said:
If the core is fine, then the chips are only cosmetic, and once under a heatsink will not be seen. Since it actually POSTed, then its usually 100% fine as once the core itself is chipped it'd be 99.9% toasted. Well i guess you know now if you get a chipped cpu in the future and it works.
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It works now but for how long and how much damage before it's permanent as when they do chip they tend to crumble ? i'd rather not take the risk.

MW
 
Mr-White said:
It works now but for how long and how much damage before it's permanent as when they do chip they tend to crumble ? i'd rather not take the risk.

MW
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The substrate crumbles if anything, the core is a different matter. Up to you but it'd probably work until the core electromigrated itself to death in 20+ years lol. I've got a palomino 1700+ that i bought a week after they came out in the uk, its been in about 3 boards over its life on a long term basis and tested about 30+ boards over its life (used it to check boards in stock before i stored them when i used to buy bulk for my now defunct IT business), its lost its pads over time and core chipped to hell but it still works :)
 
I got a refund in the end, the seller was quite good about it and everything went smoothly so i left him good feedback.

MW
 
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