Christian State (CS) Discussion Thread

[Dis86]

None whatsoever. Where did I say there had been? Is it not worth remark to dissociate from it?



Ah, so threatening millions of people with the words 'brothers [Muslims] will be slaughtered like pigs and crucified as our Lord converts their souls' is OK then? By that rationale there is no problem with radical/extremist followers of Islam saying the same?

I don't know if you've noticed but it's not the words that kill people. It's the executions, bombings and massacres. North Korea threatens world peace every five minutes, why aren't you asking Koreans everywhere to apologise for the scary words of their nutjob leader?

Like I said Gilly, thought you were smarter than this.

 

[dowie]

Well if this sort of Christian view became widespread and was the source of inspiration for people who commit terrorist attacks then it might be worth commenting on... a small group sending a letter on the other hand isn't much. Fundamentalist Islam has infected entire countries and is actively being promoted by the likes of the Saudis etc.. rather different.

 

[McGray]

Just checking this is this weeks Muslim bashing thread?

 

[dowie]

Just checking this is this weeks Muslim bashing thread?

I think it was an attempt to portray other religions as being just as violent, I'm not sure many are convinced....

 

[Freefaller]

I fear this may be the start of something a lot bigger

Just what we need. Even more hate and violence in the world. :/

As a Christian myself, I find this sort of behaviour/action absolutely pointless and goes against the grain really.

 

[The Funktopus]

... if this escalates this will lead to a new kind of war.

Religious war isn't new at all, have you ever been to a Celtic-Rangers match?

 

[Tunney]

I don't deny some Christians commit acts of terrorism, although the KKK were hardly motivated by religious convictions.

KKK robes are emblazoned with a large Christian cross on the front. The KKK are an overtly Christian organisation

As I've pointed out before, the overwhelming majority of ongoing conflicts in the world today involve at least one side which is Muslim. That alone is evidence of the violent nature of Islam.

The overwhelming majority of ongoing conflicts in the world today involve at least one side which is ostensibly Christian. I'd wager that Christians have killed far more people in the past 100 years than Muslims have.

 

[Dis86]

I think it was an attempt to portray other religions as being just as violent, I'm not sure many are convinced....

Lol. Pretty much sums it up!

 

[Gilly]

I don't know if you've noticed but it's not the words that kill people. It's the executions, bombings and massacres. North Korea threatens world peace every five minutes, why aren't you asking Koreans everywhere to apologise for the scary words of their nutjob leader?

Like I said Gilly, thought you were smarter than this.

Smarter than what? Objectively questioning things?

So what you are in fact saying is that it's OK to say these things, and to so aggressively threaten an entire group of millions of people worldwide, and fear no repercussions? That it's not even worth responding to and just to allow to continue?

That, in fact, it's better to attack those who question those that seem not to be linked with this group - such as you are with me - and in so suggest that in fact you have leanings towards sympathy with this group? is that your intention?

I see no other reason to attempt to undermine the questioning I have posted here, rather than responding to it as the honest and open question it is.

 

[zoomee]

Well if this sort of Christian view became widespread and was the source of inspiration for people who commit terrorist attacks then it might be worth commenting on... a small group sending a letter on the other hand isn't much. Fundamentalist Islam has infected entire countries and is actively being promoted by the likes of the Saudis etc.. rather different.

Remind me again what George Bush said whilst starting the Iraq war? - oh yes, "God told me to do it"........

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bush-god-told-me-to-invade-iraq-6262644.html

President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.

You might also want to check out the christian terrorist groups currently in CAR too - not exactly pen pushers are they?

There are fundies in all walks of life which is the point I think (or rather hope!) the OP is trying to make rather than just blame one particular group like some of the usual suspects on this forum do.

Gillys point is an excellent one - where's the outrage and condemnation now? - If this was the other way round you usual suspects would be jumping around like headless chickens foaming at the mouth by now.

 

[Thekwango]

Ah, so threatening millions of people with the words 'brothers [Muslims] will be slaughtered like pigs and crucified as our Lord converts their souls' is OK then? By that rationale there is no problem with radical/extremist followers of Islam saying the same?

people can say and write what they want. why would you expect Christians to come out and denounce something that so far has not or can not even be deemed to be credible.

I don't know if you've noticed but it's not the words that kill people. It's the executions, bombings and massacres. North Korea threatens world peace every five minutes, why aren't you asking Koreans everywhere to apologise for the scary words of their nutjob leader?

+1

 

[Gilly]

people can say and write what they want. why would you expect Christians to come out and denounce something that so far has not or can not even be deemed to be credible.

Whoa, wait a minute. Where have I asked for anyone to do that? You have assumed too much.

I don't ask for the common muslim man to denounce actions of muslim extremists and I don't expect christians to come out and attack this letter either. I was simply commenting on the fact that some right-wing fanatics point at the common muslim man not doing so as a huge piece of evidence against all muslims having these ideologies and so on... doesn't the same go for christians?

 

[Schlong&Stable]

KKK robes are emblazoned with a large Christian cross on the front. The KKK are an overtly Christian organisation

The fact they used Christian iconography does not mean very much on its own. Their ideology has far more to do with White Nationalism than Christianity. Modern White Nationalists also use Christian iconography whilst being utterly disdainful of Christianity itself.

The overwhelming majority of ongoing conflicts in the world today involve at least one side which is ostensibly Christian.

No, it doesn't. Not even close. If you want me to prove you wrong, you'll need to wait till tonight when I have more free time to produce the list again. However if you look at Wikipedias list of ongoing conflicts, you'll see Christians and the West make up a minority.

I'd wager that Christians have killed far more people in the past 100 years than Muslims have.

What do you base that upon? The greatest wars of the 20th century were fought between secular nations, with many of the greatest genocides occurring outside of the nominally Christian world.

 

[Thekwango]

Whoa, wait a minute. Where have I asked for anyone to do that? You have assumed too much.

I haven't assumed anything you specifically asked

Where are the Christians coming out and having a go at this group, like many people expect every Muslim to come out against terrorists every time there is an atrocity?

 

[Gilly]

I haven't assumed anything you specifically asked

I did specifically ask that question, yes. That doesn't mean my expectation is that they should, more that I was denouncing the very right-wing fanatics I just mentioned.

It's a reasonably simple point.

 

[Uther]

So, is this a known group of thousands of nutjobs intent on mass slaughter and cutting off of heads live on TV, all in the name of their crazy religion,or two teenagers sitting in their bedrooms?
Time will tell, but I suspect the latter.

 

[FrenchTart]

The fact they used Christian iconography does not mean very much on its own. Their ideology has far more to do with White Nationalism than Christianity. Modern White Nationalists also use Christian iconography whilst being utterly disdainful of Christianity itself.

I can't believe you posted that with a straight face to be honest.

 

[Thekwango]

I did specifically ask that question, yes. That doesn't mean my expectation is that they should, more that I was denouncing the very right-wing fanatics I just mentioned.

It's a reasonably simple point.

you might have wanted to make that point clearer from the outset. your original post simply comes across as asking why haven't Christians come out en masse to criticise this letter.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

I can't believe you posted that with a straight face to be honest.

Which part do you disagree with? I'm not saying the KKK are not Christian, because they obviously are. What I am saying is that this is not their raison d'etre.

 

[Gilly]

you might have wanted to make that point clearer from the outset. your original post simply comes across as asking why haven't Christians come out en masse to criticise this letter.

My original question was a simple one, but it was more shining a light on the fact that there is no-one showing anger at christian groups for not denouncing the actions of this group and/or individuals.

Even here on this very forum, every time there is a fanatic blows himself up and takes someone else with him, there are questions such as 'why aren't local groups disgusted with this?' Where are those people now?

I have never called for the muslims local to me to denounce the actions of crazies elsewhere in the world and I'm not doing that for christians either. What I'm doing is pointing out the hypocrisy.