Christian State (CS) Discussion Thread

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

Looks like some moron trying to stir things up. Has it been verified as a credible threat?

 

[Dis86]

My original question was a simple one, but it was more shining a light on the fact that there is no-one showing anger at christian groups for not denouncing the actions of this group and/or individuals.

Even here on this very forum, every time there is a fanatic blows himself up and takes someone else with him, there are questions such as 'why aren't local groups disgusted with this?' Where are those people now?

I have never called for the muslims local to me to denounce the actions of crazies elsewhere in the world and I'm not doing that for christians either. What I'm doing is pointing out the hypocrisy.

Again you're missing the point. You're comparing a few words to mass murder.

 

[koolpc]

They are obviously not true Christians just like the IS are not true Muslims!

 

[Gilly]

Again you're missing the point.

I am? What point am I missing by asking this question?

You're comparing a few words to mass murder.

Am I?

It is fairly simple. Muslim follower does something; someone else expects all muslims to come out and state that this is not something they desired. Christian follower does something... do those selfsame people expect all christians to come out and denounce these actions?

If not, why not?

Asking this question does not mean any comparison being drawn between the actions of the followers, only the expectations of those calling for other people to respond.

Conversely, you are calling me stupid for even asking the question; undermining me by saying you thought I was smarter, and in turn perhaps hoping to undermine the point I'm making. It's a strange straw man, and a poor response.

 

[Muz333]

If football were a religion it would consist of an empty pitch being cheered on by opposing supporters, each convinced of their team's march to victory. It would also be a hell of a lot more exciting than the Premiership.

And Jesus Christ takes the ball, he splits through the defence like Moses does the red sea and lets out a thunderous shot that would make Thor proud...and save, Buddha blocks the shot with his belly.


You know what, I could watch a religious football league.

 

[Pestilence]

I am? What point am I missing by asking this question?

Am I?

It is fairly simple. Muslim follower does something; someone else expects all muslims to come out and state that this is not something they desired. Christian follower does something... do those selfsame people expect all christians to come out and denounce these actions?

If not, why not?

Asking this question does not mean any comparison being drawn between the actions of the followers, only the expectations of those calling for other people to respond.

You're absolutely right. Don't worry. You were never equating words to murder.

Just making a valid point.

If those questioning you want to move to murder, then look no further than the nut who shot people dead in the name of the Christian God just a few days ago.

Where are the Christians out on the street demonstrating? And why aren't we calling for it?

Pretty much because it's not how we approach Christianity, because it's so ingrained in our society already.

We just say "he's a nut", "so sad" etc. and leave it at that. Extremists are laughed at, dismissed and forgotten about when they commit atrocities. Just another nutbag bible basher.

But when it comes to Islam, suddenly it's up to the "community" to show us -- to convince us -- that extremism isn't the norm.

Because, at the end of the day, we're scared of it.

As we should be, frankly. The issue there is that Islam is so young that we don't have it buried in our beings. So we don't quite have that learned/trained approach to it... we're naturally suspicious. Calls to violence are alarmingly present in the text (forget a hermeneutic approach and all other apologetic interpretations). Do not forget that it's one of the only religions for which the proscribed penalty for apostasy is death. Letter of the law.

BUT regardless of the religion, and regardless of how much the majority may cherry-pick what it says for their own comfort, when it comes to headcases it really doesn't matter. They'll find justification for murder wherever they can find it, even if it goes entirely against the core teachings of the scripture.

 

[Pestilence]

And Jesus Christ takes the ball, he splits through the defence like Moses does the red sea and lets out a thunderous shot that would make Thor proud...and save, Buddha blocks the shot with his belly.


You know what, I could watch a religious football league.

Screw that... religion WWF.

BUDDHA BELLY SLAM! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!

 

[Dis86]

I am? What point am I missing by asking this question?



Am I?

It is fairly simple. Muslim follower does something; someone else expects all muslims to come out and state that this is not something they desired. Christian follower does something... do those selfsame people expect all christians to come out and denounce these actions?

If not, why not?

Asking this question does not mean any comparison being drawn between the actions of the followers, only the expectations of those calling for other people to respond.

Conversely, you are calling me stupid for even asking the question; undermining me by saying you thought I was smarter, and in turn perhaps hoping to undermine the point I'm making. It's a strange straw man, and a poor response.

People don't demand muslim apologies for words. They demand them for mass killings.

How do you not get words aren't the same as murder?

 

[Muz333]

Screw that... religion WWF.

BUDDHA BELLY SLAM! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!

I see the light now!

 

[Gilly]

People don't demand muslim apologies for words. They demand them for mass killings.

How do they (you?) get to demand anything from someone completely disconnected from extremist nutjobs?

How do you not get words aren't the same as murder?

How do you not get that it's the principle and basic premise that is being discussed and not absolute occurrences? Do you need me to go and find a christian act and ask it of that instead? Would that make it easier for you to deal with?

 

[Pestilence]

People don't demand muslim apologies for words. They demand them for mass killings.

How do you not get words aren't the same as murder?

You're wrong. It's the same thing regardless when it comes to the response from our ostensibly white Christian society. Look, for example, at the Sharia flyers distributed in the Tower Hamlets.

The response is ALWAYS "Where are the 'moderates' putting these guys in their place?".

Like it's the responsibility of others within the religion to curtail this kind of behaviour. But it isn't really.

In fact, all that expecting that is doing is wanting some kind of civil war within the religion... "we" can be hands off while they take of each other. Sit back and gloat and feel safe in the knowledge that they're killing each other to "set things right".

It's a sorry state of affairs, devoid of reason. It isn't a matter of expecting certain actions from moderates, or their assistance in tackling extremism.

The peaceful SHOULD denounce the violent. But that responsibility isn't restricted to only those of the same faith -- despite the reason behind it. Forget the religion -- act like decent people.

And decent people everywhere have been more than happy to offer their condemnation. We don't need a show and dance.

 

[Burnsy2023]

The amount of hypocrisy in this thread is overwhelming.

 

[chief barker]

Big LOL at you lot for biting over an overblown article written by The Express.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Big LOL at you lot for biting over an overblown article written by The Express.

With that said, extreme right wing groups are a big issue for the security services at the moment.

 

[olivier renault]

Gillys point is an excellent one - where's the outrage and condemnation now? - If this was the other way round you usual suspects would be jumping around like headless chickens foaming at the mouth by now.

Because, empty threats. Come back when they started randomly gunning down and bombing planes, markets, concert halls, train stations, hell even mosques...

Because, Bro, you call 'this' a Jihad? Pretty damn unlikely to have 1,000's flocking to the cause starting to blow themselves up in public in the name of... who exactly?

Because Christians in general (I'll give them that) usually don't go shouting 'Christophobia' at the first sign of trouble, and don't go off the rails at the slightest insult.

Because we already have our caliphate (RCC).

These guys are a joke. Stop reading the papers. Especially sensationalist papers.

 

[chief barker]

With that said, extreme right wing groups are a big issue for the security services at the moment.

When they start suicide attacks and mowing down crowds with AKs you'll get my full attention.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

With that said, extreme right wing groups are a big issue for the security services at the moment.

The "extreme right" do not exist in the UK really, and they certainly don't pose a threat to the general public.

 

[bitslice]

Where are the Christians coming out and having a go at this group, like many people expect every Muslim to come out against terrorists every time there is an atrocity?

In so much as we all consider them a joke, we are
Boo Christian State, I spit on your chips!

Although if one religious group is intent on engaging a totalitarian political theocracy, then I can only see a positive benefit for the gene pool.

 

[Burnsy2023]

The "extreme right" do not exist in the UK really, and they certainly don't pose a threat to the general public.

I'll tell you now, that you're wrong. They are a real and growing threat both in the UK and Europe.

 

[Gilly]

...then I can only see a positive benefit for the gene pool.

The only positive benefit for the gene pool in absolute terms is diversity.