COH 2 to be Vista only.

pastymuncher · 9 Apr 2007 at 14:21

It appears that Company of Heroes 2 will be DX10 and so will only be available for Vista. Yet another attempt by MS to force us to upgrade. I am really not happy if this is true. So it would seem it's a case of Vista coming out, not selling as well as they hoped so they decide to basically tell the vast majority of pc users that they can't run the latest games unless they upgrade their OS. Not happy!!!! :mad:

COH 2 only to be DX10.

mr.sly · 9 Apr 2007 at 14:28

I think it's abit harsh to say Microsoft are forcing people to upgrade. If you want to play Playstation 3 games you need a PS3, and if you want to play Dx10 games you'll need Vista. No one is forcing you to do anything.

Plus I'm sure Vista is selling as much as Microsoft hoped.

Dj_Jestar · 9 Apr 2007 at 14:33

pasty.. it's not a reaction to "poor sales" it's been the entire reason for vista all along - DX10 cornering the PC gaming market.

chaparral · 9 Apr 2007 at 14:35

The problem is not with having to upgrade to vista...

The problem is that driver support in vista is still not very good....

Am myself is going to wait another good few months before upgrading to vista because of the driver support not being as good as it is in XP..

Vai · 9 Apr 2007 at 14:42

Nice to see you curse Microsoft when the BIG title states "Nvidia pushes CoH2 to DX10"

I wouldn't say Vista isn't selling well either, I don't have any links to hand but I remember reading that Vista is selling faster than XP did when it first came out

eekfek · 9 Apr 2007 at 14:52

chaparral said:
The problem is not with having to upgrade to vista...

The problem is that driver support in vista is still not very good....

Am myself is going to wait another good few months before upgrading to vista because of the driver support not being as good as it is in XP..

lets face it they wont release a game for Vista if it wont work will they ... once Vista has the drivers and possible SP1 released DX10 games will take over and if you want the best gen of gfx and gameplay you will have to upgrade, thats life

chaparral · 9 Apr 2007 at 14:56

Vai said:
I don't have any links to hand but I remember reading that Vista is selling faster than XP did when it first came out

But i think vista is lot a cheaper then what xp was went it first came out... :confused:

Supercow · 9 Apr 2007 at 15:03

I think it's great news.
It's coz of people still holding on to "old technology" that keeps "us" early adapters behind.

Emlyn_Dewar · 9 Apr 2007 at 15:06

I don't really see a problem with it, it would still work on the cheapest versions of Vista right? And they aren't that[i/] badly priced imo, it's a good way to push all this DX10 malarky right? They are obviously doing it for a reason, maybe a reason other than just money...

bryanlaycock · 9 Apr 2007 at 15:08

times are changing! i know vista has its problems but it takes people using it to find them out! nothing is ever perfect. if we waited till everything was 100% complete b4 it was released we would hardly ever get any new tech. I dont think microsoft would have anything to do with this to be honest. Making 1 game vista only isnt really gonna boost vistas sales.

BFG_9000 · 9 Apr 2007 at 15:12

COH2 DX10 Fantastic can't wait...... :cool:

Surfer · 9 Apr 2007 at 15:12

no surprises coming from Microsoft..... :mad:

Anyone else saw their plans for PC gaming online world domination as well? They are planning to charge PC users to play games online. (gold version of their windows LIVE service) Although there is a silver service which is free (how long will that last?) One of the main differences between the two is that silver users will be able to see m8s in online games but wont be able to join them in the same game (gold service required for that)

Utter travesty! imo :mad:

furnace · 9 Apr 2007 at 15:18

Vista is hardly adapting to new technology... It's just another operating system with some fancy bells and whistles. As a matter of fact, it's nothing that hasn't been done before and there really is nothing "new" about it.

DX10 could well have gone onto Windows XP, but they would have had to re-write the way XP handles drivers [I actually read that on a Microsoft blog]. They would rather force people onto Vista and make profit. Fair enough, yeah? Well no, not for a company who has such a dominant market position. When a company has such near-monopoly, they should have to act much differently to an every day company with real competition.

There are other people working on DX10 alternatives, and these people are very intelligent programmers who very likely know more than anyone on these forums about operating systems and DX10. So don't go saying "DX10 on XP is impossible"

I know theres the people working on ReactOS who are making a complete DX10 implementation, albeit on their own OS but that's based on Windows NT/XP's structure. There's also people from Wine who are "warping" DX10 commands to OpenGL commands, and people at FallingLeft (alky) who are working on converting .exe's to multiple OS formats (primarily from windows to mac) using their "alkinator".

I rekon DX10 is Vista-only mainly because MS want you all on a new operating system to make them lots of money. Of course it wouldn't work out great for them if they made a Windows XP patch which completely re-wrote the way drivers work, but it's not like Microsoft don't have the funds is it.

PS3 games have good reason not to work on a PS2 - the PS2 has old hardware, it's not like different software on a PS2 would make PS3 games work.

Anyway I think you get the jist of my opinion here

I'm not spending £100 on upgrading to Vista. If I felt like I were doing so out of my own free choice then yeah, maybe I would... but I'm just like that - if someone tries to force me to do something, I'll try as hard as I can to not do it (generally speaking) especially when my own money is involved!

I could moan about this forever bringing up random annoyances of mine... but I'll spare you from it

Jerrys Final Words: Microsoft need to stop trying to create captive markets, and start interoperating and creating open standards in the interest of the consumer. Big companies have big responsibilities.

KNiVES · 9 Apr 2007 at 15:30

Vista is like 60 pounds anyway.

eekfek · 9 Apr 2007 at 15:32

furnace said:
/snip
I rekon DX10 is Vista-only mainly because MS want you all on a new operating system to make them lots of money. Of course it wouldn't work out great for them if they made a Windows XP patch which completely re-wrote the way drivers work, but it's not like Microsoft don't have the funds is it.
PS3 games have good reason not to work on a PS2 - the PS2 has old hardware, it's not like different software on a PS2 would make PS3 games work.
/snip
Jerrys Final Words: Microsoft need to stop trying to create captive markets, and start interoperating and creating open standards in the interest of the consumer. Big companies have big responsibilities.

not having a go at you but sorry , you come off a bit 'sour grapes' , M'soft are a business and want to make money lots of it, same as any other business so you either stick with what you have or move with the times and technology .. the whole point of a Home PC is for its adaptivity and progressive tech, with gaming being the main talking point here so with that in mind for all those who have a DX10 card and Vista im sure cant wait to see the first amazing DX10 game .. this isnt a bash Msoft or Vista thread
im sure many PC gamers are fed up of having Gears of War or PS3 titles shoved in their faces when atm rubbish like STALKER is released after 5-20yrs in development so the sooner dx10 games get released the better

Dolph · 9 Apr 2007 at 15:36

furnace said:
Vista is hardly adapting to new technology... It's just another operating system with some fancy bells and whistles. As a matter of fact, it's nothing that hasn't been done before and there really is nothing "new" about it.

You don't consider a total redesign of the graphics system to be something new? (It's gone from fundamentally bitmaps to entirely vector driven)

DX10 could well have gone onto Windows XP, but they would have had to re-write the way XP handles drivers [I actually read that on a Microsoft blog]. They would rather force people onto Vista and make profit. Fair enough, yeah? Well no, not for a company who has such a dominant market position. When a company has such near-monopoly, they should have to act much differently to an every day company with real competition.

Actually, it couldn't, because DX10 relies on the fact that the graphics subsystem in Vista is vector based, rather than Bitmaps.

I've snipped the rest, because you've started from a totally false premise.

I'd suggest having a read of this before you go slating Vista, it actually explains what was done and what benefits it will bring.

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/pretty-vista.ars

Changing from bitmaps to vectors was way, way overdue.

furnace · 9 Apr 2007 at 15:54

eekfek said:
not having a go at you but sorry , you come off a bit 'sour grapes'

Hehe yeah I am a bit sour grapes on this subject aren't I

If Vista came then a year later, DX10 came, I rekon I wouldn't feel like it... It just feels like DX10 is Vista-only because they want to force people onto Vista as quick as possible. My Win98 to WinXP transition felt a lot less forced, but Vista feels like "You need this 'cos were making sure you'll get jack **** if you dont have it"

I don't hate vista, but I just feel like... forced onto it.

Dolph said:
I've snipped the rest, because you've started from a totally false premise.

I hate it when people do that. One fault in a statement makes the whole statement false does it? :rolleyes:

(lets keep that rhetorical for the sake of not ruining a thread - but you really irritated me by doing that.)

Back on topic - Q3 2007 is pretty soon for another CoH to come out... there must be a lot less work involved in RTS's

Steedie · 9 Apr 2007 at 16:00

Vista in its most basic form is only 60 quid anyway, which is only twice the cost of your average pc game on release. So don't see the problem, you knew this was going to happen

And unfortunatley for anyone else not wanting to upgrade, theres going to be a whole load more DX10 only games, I cant wait :cool:

n1kunj · 9 Apr 2007 at 16:02

This isn't even going to be out for years, I mean they've only just announced the COH 1 expansion pack. By then the majority of people will have upgraded fully to DX10.

mr.sly · 9 Apr 2007 at 16:07

n1kunj said:
This isn't even going to be out for years, I mean they've only just announced the COH 1 expansion pack. By then the majority of people will have upgraded fully to DX10.

This is the "expansion pack" they're talking about.