I'm going to start a new thread on this as I didn't expect multiple replies/quotes to my original post in the other thread and since it is about housing it has potential to be derailed - anyway it started from the following post - I personally think people should stay at home when ill, especially when their job involves dealing with multiple members of the public or working in an environment where they're in contact with multiple co-workers.
Coming into work when ill?
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If actually "ill" then yes stay home, not if you have a cold.
The businesses I know couldn't function if everyone took over a week off every time they got a cold (the contagion period)
Yes, it's annoying when someone comes into work and spreads a cold, but that's just one of those facts of life. Just like it is that some eldery and immunio suppressed people will die through winter....even when they didn't order something on Amazon
Yes, it's annoying when someone comes into work and spreads a cold, but that's just one of those facts of life. Just like it is that some eldery and immunio suppressed people will die through winter....even when they didn't order something on Amazon
But...if everyone did take time off, perhaps there would be fewer instances of people getting the cold?
I'd agree if they're taking the required amount of days off to recover properly and are genuinely ill. If it's just the odd day off with that as your reasoning, and you've worked the previous day or are going back the very next day then it isn't going to do much against spreading it.
perhaps if fewer people tried to be heroes about it then you wouldn't have so many people getting them in the first place - it can't be nice for anyone with a young baby or anyone who has to look after an elderly relative (sure I guess a new parent is going to have to get used to picking up all sorts of bugs but still...)
Then you catch it off the pharmacist, or the door handle to the shop, or the shopping trolley or your child or....or....the million and one ways that colds spread. It's silly to think we can stop the spread of these things especially since the contagion starts before the symptoms show.
But you don't catch it off the pharmacist because when they're ill they don't come to work. And they didn't catch it in the first place because their ill colleague didn't come in. And their ill child was kept off school.
But they have already spread it before they knew they were ill.
And precisely what we are saying, if everyone stayed off work when the cold season started, the system would grind to a halt.
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I was off sick last week. Took the Thursday and Friday off with a dose of man flu lol. For the entire two days the contracts manager was ringing me up to bother me about work. I ended up blocking their calls and then they started harrassing me over WhatsApp so I had to just switch the phone off completely.
There's a culture of man up and plough through it. You're just a piece of meat in this trade. Do your job, earn them money, then die. Just please don't die on site though as that would be a real inconvenience.
If you're sick, you're sick and you should have the time off. If a company isn't capable of operating a business when a member of staff is sick then they shouldn't be in business.
There's a culture of man up and plough through it. You're just a piece of meat in this trade. Do your job, earn them money, then die. Just please don't die on site though as that would be a real inconvenience.
If you're sick, you're sick and you should have the time off. If a company isn't capable of operating a business when a member of staff is sick then they shouldn't be in business.
So for that week, you do not leave the house or have any contact with anyone else?
well I guess if it is a minor cold a courteous thing to do in the case of delivery drivers would be for them to perhaps wear gloves when handling parcels and to take them off if they need to blow their noses/touch their face etc.. I mean it is contact that is the issue here...
but the poster mentioned coughs and colds... if they've got a chest infection or something then they really ought to stay away
My comment in the other thread was more about the seeming increasing complacency, etc. towards work i.e. if someone is hired to say lay a conduit and in the process finds a huge cavity that needs filling in first they'll just do their job and leave making no attempt to get the problem rectified first, etc. as it "isn't their responsibility"/don't care/stupid even though in the long run it is going to cause problems with the work they've done and that kind of thing.
The problems with new build houses IMO is symptoms of a much wider epidemic.
Pulling the odd day sick has gone on much longer - though maybe people are more inclined towards it now dunno I've not observed a change there. Personally I'd not fault someone for the odd day off sick where maybe they "could" come in but feeling significantly under the weather.
The problems with new build houses IMO is symptoms of a much wider epidemic.
Pulling the odd day sick has gone on much longer - though maybe people are more inclined towards it now dunno I've not observed a change there. Personally I'd not fault someone for the odd day off sick where maybe they "could" come in but feeling significantly under the weather.
The issue mainly comes down to employers/managers looking down on those who take days off for these things, I know a few of the more thoughtful employers will allow working from home if your role can be carried out like that but it's still few and far between.
With delivery drivers though we know many of them have to pretty much work 12 hours shifts, 6 days a week for a wage they deem sustainable or due to targets, particularly at this time of year. Is choosing money over someone else's health a selfless act? Maybe, but we see that all the way from the bottom to the very top of society.
With delivery drivers though we know many of them have to pretty much work 12 hours shifts, 6 days a week for a wage they deem sustainable or due to targets, particularly at this time of year. Is choosing money over someone else's health a selfless act? Maybe, but we see that all the way from the bottom to the very top of society.
Precisely this. Lower the risk. You lower the number of infections. You lower the chance of infections further. It's a positive feedback loop.
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Man flu/colds are relatively minor inconveniences to 99% of people, no reason to stay off work.
Now we are getting to much more sensible solutions
They could wear a face mask, like you saw all the Asians doing when the SARS virus was spreading
