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Deviljin

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I'd first like to thank you guys/girls for taking the time to read this post.

Okay now for the build, I'm looking to build a Gaming Pc which will last anywhere between 3-5 years. I'm in need of assistance as i have no idea what I should and shouldn't be getting thus wasting money for no reason. The PC will be built by overclockers.
No peripherals needed at the moment.

Games I would play 1080p and then move onto 2k (in the future): World of warships, FFXIV, Doom, BF1 , CSGO, plus new titles.

Case: best Air cooling possible with a window for lighting effects (LED's) full tower mabey?

CPU: would like a CPU that will still be good after 3-4 years time, Do i benefit from an I7 over an I5 in the long run?

Motherboard: gaming and future proofing was thinking x99

GPU (no SLI): i was thinking of a 1060 msi for now and upgrade when the 1080 ti comes out. What do you lots think?

PSU: either EVGA or Superflower

Hard Drive/SSD's: 2 in total, 1 for software boot up and 1 for big games. would also get a WD 4tb for music, films etc


RAM: was thinking 32GB but is that overkill?

wireless WIfi: Is it worth paying £50 ?

So how much would a system like this cost me roughly, My main concern is CPU, RAM and Motherboard and would pay the extra £££.

If there's anything I have missed out or you would like to add feel free.
 
x99 is probably not really worthwhile if you're just looking for gaming, they generally won't be any better at single core performance and the extra cores won't be utilized enough in gaming to warrant the extra cash.

i7 6700k or i5 6600k are the best options. Having an overclockable cpu is really the only actual futureproofing you can do. The i7 is usefull if you're planning on streaming or editing or other such secondary tasks, but if you're just gaming the i5 will give you almost identical performance for less money.

32gb ram is currently overkill, 16 will do anything you need at the moment and can easily be upgraded if down the line things change.

the 2 drives is a good option at the moment, an SSD for os, and hdd for games.

something like this might be a good option.

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £627.59
(includes shipping: £11.70)
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Plus a case of your choice and graphic card. call it £950ish

Or if you went for an i7 6700k you're looking at about £1100

Sky's the limit though, theres always something to spend extra money on :P
 
Thanks for the quick response

So would an i7 6700k last around 3 years without bottlenecking current and next generation graphics cards? ie titan xp etc?

also my budget would be around £1500-1900 so im kind of surprised this build would be just over £1,000 :).

finally i was thinking of the 6850k as the CPU or is that really just a waste of money ?

:)
 
Yeah. At the moment modern CPUs have far out paced games. As an example I was playing new doom on my gfs pc last weekend and it's got a g3260 in it. So the cheapest Intel cpu from a generation ago. And my old gtx 780. And it played fine.

The 6850 is a great cpu. But the extras you're paying for, more cores, more pcie lanes and more cache don't have a sizeable effect on gaming. :)

As for bottleneck the gpu. You have to work pretty hard to do it. Examples I've seen tend to all be a case of running a game at 1080p well over 150fps before the CPU stops being able to keep up. And at higher resolution everything becomes gpu limited again.

I think a 6700k should do the job for a good while, unless something drastic changes. :) I don't think you'd be sad if you bought the 6850, but I also don't think you'd notice the difference day to day.
 
For me cases are really just an aesthetic choice. Not much difference in cooling from one to another so long as you have good airflow. That being said that's a gorgeous case and so long as you have the space for it it will likely last you for decades. Personally I've recently made the move to mini itx. :p

One thing I would say on this build is to consider going for something like a 1080 now and give up on the idea of the 1080ti. With the recent weirdness of the titan xp launch its really thrown all of the guesses we had about the ti out the window. Honestly I'm not even sure if there will be one. Not a hang of a lot of space between the 1080 and the titan xp, this is just my own little foil hat theory though :p

If your plan is to move to 1440 or super wide the 1080 is more than up to the task right now.
 
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Yeah the more expensive case and the 1080 def push the price up. If you don't want to do self build or can't find the exact spec in the builder thing I believe you can contact them through the customer service forum bit with your spec and they can put it together, though I think there's a fee. Never done it myself though, I just self build.

The better cpu is better, but again you get diminishing returns so it's really down to how much you want to spend.

It's worth thinking about building yourself. There's lots of videos on youtube to guide you through it. Aside from a couple fiddly bits it's pretty straight forward, but up to you :)
 
This is the above spec with the i7, 1080 and inwin case


My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £1,762.91
(includes shipping: £0.00)
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Don't forget to get an operating system :)
 
Ahh okay that makes sense now, I was thinking it's a bit too cheap :P

To be honest I wouldn't mind trying to self build a PC but since this is going to be my main rig i'd leave it to the professional's .If it was a £800 build then i would've had a crack at it :).
 
This is my suggestion, a 6700K, a decent basic board like an ASUS Z170-A, 16GB of RAM, nothing crazy, maybe 2400Mhz, 1TB SSD (you can afford it), maybe a Samsung 850 Evo, a nice case of your choosing, a nice cooler of your choosing that will fit the case, and a mid range graphics card.

Why mid range? It makes more sense to me to buy something like a 1070 now and then upgrade to a 1270 or 1370 (or whatever Nvidia does with their naming schemes) when those cards are available. You will still have spectacular 1440P performance at this price range, and you will experience a more steady and predictable performance level buying a XX70 now and another one to replace it of later type in 2 years. The cost isn't much different from buying a Titan XP or 1080Ti now, and you will have a more steady performance curve over time.

Have you considered adjusting the price of the machine btw and getting something like an Occulus Rift?
 
Hi, I'm not really a fan of VR but then again I haven't tried it.

Is there a need for 1 TB ssd hard drive as i would only be putting games and the OS on it?

Finally whats the difference between a basic x99 or z170 Motherboard and the very best, is there more slots?
Faster speeds or more features that might be used in the future?

As for the gpu i guess it makes sense to start with a high (low) tier card (if you know what i mean :) ) and then upgrade every 2-3 years.
 
It depends on how addicted you are to buying new games. I'm close to full of game installs (and nothing else) on my 2TB HDD.

SSD is faster than HDD. You are the one using the PC. You have to decide whether that price premium is worth it. There's nothing wrong with cheaping out and getting a 120GB SSD for the OS and a 1TB HDD for the games. Remember that many modern game installs are 20-60 GB, so it might only take 20 games to fully utilize a 1TB drive. And then what? (Obviously you add another drive.)

Basically, Z170 boards have 16 lanes coming from the CPU (CPU dependant) while X99 boards have 28 or 40 (depending on which CPU you use). Z170 makes up for this by having a number of lanes come from the PCH. In terms of GPUs though, you are limited to 8/8 lanes in SLI/CFX on Z170 while you could achieve 16/16 on X99. This can be fixed by using a lane augmentation IC such as a PLX chip on the motherboard which can allow 16/16 on Z170 but these boards are outrageously expensive.

Both X99 and Z170 boards use DDR4 (some socket 1151 boards use DDR3L but there are very few). Both have (sometimes, depends on the board) U.2, M.2, USB 3.1 type a/c, can come with wifi or bluetooth, etc.

Basically it comes down to what you think you are going to do with the computer. If you are just gaming a 4 core i7 is pretty future proof unless you just want a 6 core CPU so you can impress friends and people you'll never meet on the internet.

If you do serious content creation and editing, a 6 or 8 core CPU is not a bad move.

Alternatively, if you can somehow snag a 6 core X99 CPU and X99 board for not a lot more than a 4 core Z170 CPU and board, obviously, go for that. You can't argue with extra performance if it is free or almost free.

Don't ignore bundles. OCUK has some decent bundles on the store page, and you can save some money. They don't tend to bundle crap parts so you should be ok.

No matter what you decide, put your list together and have several people sign off on it on forums BEFORE you buy. I have seen people make silly mistakes and get the wrong parts.
 
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