Complete Overclocking n00b Needs OC Expert!

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Hello All,

This is my first post, so please be gentle :o

After building PC's from scratch for many years using basic methods, I have decided to get into this OC area, mainly because I am building myself a ESXi whitebox, which I want to squeeze every single bit of performance out of the hardware I am going to purchase, and also so that I learn more, as working in a dull I.T. job every day I need some I.T. pron which I hear OC is full of! :D

I have decided on the following core components for my whitebox so if anybody wants to comment/pass advice, feel free to do so!:

Intel Core Quad Q6600 - I chose this over the more recent i7 (was looking at the 920 and 860 models) mainly down to the cost of P45 based motherboards being more in my range then the X58 based boards. Also the Q6600 has a much better L2 cache on it then the more recent Quad Core processors.

ASUS P5Q Deluxe - This board to me is a middle-way, so that I can learn the OC basics before moving onto the more extreme boards.

8192MB DDR 1066 Mhz RAM (4 x 2048MB) - Geil GX24GB8500C5UDC.

Gigabyte 8400GS 512MB GDDR2 DVI PCI-E 2.0 x 16 GFX card - It's poor I know but for ESXi the GFX card is not a big consideration.

WD Caviar Blue 1TB 7200 32MB 3.5 HDD - I cannot find anything that runs at 7200 RPM with 64MB cache, the WD Green is the same size storage wise and has 64MB cache but no specs on speed as the Green Range seems to run on the principle that the disk speed slows down/speeds up to conserve energy...


OK now you have all smirked at my core setup, this is my n00b questions, being my first journey into OC my concern is cooking everything so I have spent a lot of time looking at airflow to cool the processor. The problem with the P5Q Deluxe board is there is very little room for a non-stock CPU cooler kit due to the capacitors being very close to the CPU socket. I was originally looking at a Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2 CPU fan but I cannot find any detail as to if the direction of the fan can be changed as it on the side of the heatsink not on the top like stock fans, without this information I do no want to take the risk, as if I cannot change the fan direction then it will be emitting the heat from the CPU directly on to the copper heatsinks surrounding the CPU. Also I am unsure as to if there is enough room to allow for the non-stock bracket etc to fit.

This made me question further the actual airflow as if I was pushing air in from the left hand side of my case and extracting air out from the right hand side of the case, which to me sounds like a OC setup that would work, then the airflow is going to push the hot air from the motherboard heat sinks and the CPU against the expansion cards fitted which will block the flow resulting in these cards becoming warmer than they should? Therefore I have decided to use an airflow based on pushing cold air from the front of the case and extracting warm air from the rear of the case (see PIC below)

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Is this a good design for airflow, does having the one fan pushing cool air into the case, and the one fan extracting air from the case cause a dead area where no cooling is being achieved?

Also what is the best value for money CPU cooler that uses a top mounted CPU cooling fan of the same quality/budget range as that of the Artic Freezer?

Finally does anybody know of any websites that show cases (not hugely expensive £200 cases) where you can see what possible airflow designs are available on cases?

Thanks for any information you can provide!

spar1GreP
 
Welcome to OcUK. :cool:

If you don't mind me saying, You are thinking to much. I could sling those components together blind folded & get 3.2gig & so could you. They are well proven components although I wouldn't go with the Geil ram myself but only because of personal preference to the Indestructable XMS range.
As for the cooler somebody will come along shortly & let you know what one fits.
For Airflow your diagram is about there, In through the front & out through the back, Forget about the sides the cases are built to accomadate fans at the front & the rear, Side fans/exits just disrupt the flow of air in my opinion.
Scratch around for a better GFX card though as the 8400GS will dissapoint.

Have fun on your build & keep us informed.
 
Welcome dude, XS forums have a thread on your mother board that has been going since launch you will find lots of really good info in there mate from coolers to custom bios :)
 
hello mate...please put the psu fan and graffix fan into the equation as turbulant air doesnt flow to well,ive just been in the windtunnel and with my double diffuser....................im joking,

as allready said you dont need to be to involved with air flow....i usually intake at front bottom,and extract at rear top .benefit here is the fan placed in front of harddrives obviously cools them to and all fans work in conjunction.

just make sure it can draw in cool air and exhaust the warm stuff.
 
malc30 >> If you don't mind me saying, You are thinking to much
Wow, thats the first time I have ever been accused of that :-) Still it's good to know my over-analysis concluded what OC's already know, in through the front, out through the back. If re-inventing the wheel was an olympic sport I am sure a gold medal would be on the cards for me.

malc30 >> Scratch around for a better GFX card as the 8400GS will disappoint.
I had the feeling the card would not be up to much based on it's low low price, any recommendations?

BigBruiserAl >> XS forums have a thread on your mother board
Any chance of the URL, I am new so not too sure what XS Forums is?

corky >> I usually intake at front bottom,and extract at rear top .benefit here is the fan placed in front of harddrives obviously cools them to and all fans work in conjunction.
Thanks for the hint!

Thanks for the really quick responses!

spar1GreP
 
Found the answer to my own question about if the Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2 fitting this mobo. Looking at the reviews for the cooler on the Overclockers website, it turns out Andy from Darlington fitted the cooler to a P5Q-E very easily. Looking at the images of the mobo on the ASUS website the two boards are identical so no concerns over the cooler clip not fitting around the capictors next to the CPU socket.

spar1GreP
 
Hello spar1grep, welcome to OcUK forums! :)

Please read the forum rules and enjoy your stay!

ASUS P5Q Deluxe - This board to me is a middle-way, so that I can learn the OC basics before moving onto the more extreme boards
I believe the ASUS P5Q-Deluxe is one of the best LGA775 boards on earth? :D . . . for clocking a Q6600 that is what I would call an "extreme" board . . . I hope your picking this up second hand though and *not* buying new?

I was originally looking at a Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2 CPU fan but I cannot find any detail as to if the direction of the fan
If your gonna be a serious Q6600 overclocking scholar I highly suggest *not* to buy the Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2 . . . instead look around for something a bit more expensive such as the ThermoLab Baram or the Thermaright Ultra-120 Extreme, for an overclocked 65nm quad core your gonna need all the cooling help you can get! :p

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Thermaright Ultra-120 Extreme on ASUS P5Q-Deluxe

Do you own or have you ordered any parts yet btw? . . . what is your budget?
 
Hi Big Wayne,

That is some serious heatsinks on the P5Q board. Unfortunately I would be buying the board new as I have not managed to inherit one. However I now have a price £5.00 under a ton which seems a good price to me. I picked the P5Q Deluxe because many reviews gave it a good rating for overclocking for the less hardcore clocker. One day nitrogen and gloves... One day.

I really like the idea of starting off with a proven custom BIOS base that was stable (which there seems to be loads of for the Asus boards) and adjusting the settings in increments, then testing again until I have that hour plus stabilty on the OC'd processor. I also picked the P5Q board as it has been a headache finding a P45 based board that supports more then 8GB of RAM, as I am starting off with 8GB but more then likely upgrading to 16GB with the next six months.

FYI the project started off a speccing a ESXi whitebox but the more I looked into it the the Quad Core range of CPU's seemed to represent the best value for money as they can with a average amount of OverClocking stand up proud against the i7 860 and 920 (not in terms of hyperthreading which I believe is not a ESXi strong point anyway), so rather then buying the latest and greatest, plugging it in and forgetting about it I started to like the idea of squeezing every last drop out of my £££'s. I picked the Q6600 as it has 4MB of L2 cache on each Dual Core dye whereas all other Quads seemed to have 2MB at most. ESXi really likes L2 cache I have been told.

I have finished my specs but not yet proceeded to buying the parts as I wanted others to give thier opnions, seeing as I am new at this, especially on the ESXi side of things as that has been a search and a half ensuring the hardware was compatible.

More then happy to post the hardware I have specced if you wish to take a look? My budget is £650 - £700 tops. I have managed to spec at £605 for the current hardware incarnation.

Thanks.

spar1GreP.
 
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