Connecting 2 Netgear 834 wireless routers.

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Hi all,

I currently have my active ADSL connection in my room upstairs via a Netgear 834 ADSL wireless router with 1 computer connected via an RJ45 cable.

Downstairs i now have 2 computers very close together that i would like to have on the net, both have NIC cards installed and i have a spare Netgear 834 wireless ADSL router, can i use the spare wireless router with the 2 computers downstairs to get an internet connection from the router upstairs? I have 2 spare RJ45 cables to connect the 2 computers downstairs to the router.

How would i setup the 2 routers so the router upstairs would give a net connection to the router downstairs with 2 computers attached?
 
In the 2nd router, disable 'DHCP'. Connect the two PCs, and connect the 2nd router to the first. You're good to go (I think).
 
As above, turn off DHCP, it should then act as a switch and go straight through to the main router.
 
ok i've logged into the second router and found 'Use router as DHCP Server' under LAN IP setup.. I unticked this?

The wireless side of the main router upstairs is setup with a WPA2 password as i use this for the laptop. What settings do i need to change to connect the router downstairs to the router upstairs? This is the bit thats got me confused
 
You need to talk the router with the 2 machines connected to it to play wireless client and connect to the first router.
 
I understood it from previous posts that the router 2nd one I think needs to be in bridge mode and I think older versions of the 834 doesn't support it. Maybe I am talking nonsense here but its the reason I never tried connecting my old DG834Gv2 wirelessly to my new DG834Gv5.

Someone will shed some light and I would be interested if it is possible.
 
You need to talk the router with the 2 machines connected to it to play wireless client and connect to the first router.

That went over my head.

Do i need to set 'encapsulation' on the second router to PPTP Client?

Or do i need to be looking at 'WDS Mode' in the 'Advanced Wireless Settings'... It has options for:

'Wireless point to point bridge'
'Wireless point to multi-point bridge'
'Repeater with wireless client assosiation'

I'm familiar with setting up username password, PPPoA and setting up a wireless WPA key as i have done on the router upstairs. Anything outside of this i don't have a clue about. On the router downstairs i have unticked 'Use router as DHCP Server and applied the setting. Now i need to connect this router wirelessly to the router upstairs but i don't know what i need to change on both routers to get them to see eachother.

The router upstairs is Version 4 the one downstairs is version 3
 
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do not know that router but I think the other guys assummed that you will connect the routers with the cat 5 cable and not with wireless. if this router can not act as a wireless client there is no way to connect them that way. follow thie initial instructions you recived with disabling the dhcp and just connect the lan ports of the 2 routers and it should work.
obviusly you will need a long cat 5 cable.
test it with a short cable first.
 
I have this under both routers in the 'Advanced wireless settings'

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Advanced Wireless Help
You can use this page to do the MDS settings. For normal operation, these are not required.

Enable Wireless Bridging and Repeating
Enable the checkbox if you want to use WDS (Wireless Distribution System) feature.
Select the desired WDS mode for your environment.

Wireless Point-to-Point Bridge
In this mode, the DG834G will communicate ONLY with another Bridge-mode Wireless Station, and wireless client association is enabled. You must enter the MAC address (physical address) of the other Bridge-mode Wireless Station in the field provided. WEP can (and should) be used to protect this communication.

Wireless Point-to-Multi-Point Bridge
Select this only if this DG834G is the "Master" for a group of Bridge-mode Wireless Stations. The other Bridge-mode Wireless Stations must be set to Point-to-Point Bridge mode, using this DG834Gv4’s MAC address. Wireless client association is enabled. They then send all traffic to this "Master", rather than communicating directly with each other. WEP can (and should) be used to protect this traffic.

Repeater with Wireless Client Association
If selected, this AP will operate as a Repeater only, and send all traffic to the remote AP. Wireless client association is disabled. If selected, you must enter the MAC address (physical address) of the remote AP.

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Advanced Wireless Settings

WDS Mode

Enable Wireless Bridging and Repeating

Wireless Point-to-Point Bridge

Local MAC Address : : : : :
Remote MAC Address : : : : :

Wireless Point to Multi-Point Bridge

Local MAC Address : : : : :
Remote MAC Address 1 : : : : :
Remote MAC Address 2 : : : : :
Remote MAC Address 3 : : : : :
Remote MAC Address 4 : : : : :

Repeater with Wireless Client Association

Local MAC Address : : : : :
Remote MAC Address 1 : : : : :
Remote MAC Address 2 : : : : :
Remote MAC Address 3 : : : : :
Remote MAC Address 4 : : : : :
 
there you go
got your answers
you want the point to point i think but then you cant connect with computer using wireless.
the second mode you got wireless but only on your master router.
not sure about the third
not sure where now but just a second ago i found that neatger doesnt support bridgeing with WPA thats why they recomnd WEP but maybe I miss read

found this as well http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/n101755.asp
 
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ok i setup the router upstairs to be the 'Wireless Point to Multi-Point bridge and put the MAC of the router downstairs in this. The router downstairs is now set to 'Wireless point to point bridge' with the MAC address of the router upstairs, applied both settings, no internet downstairs.

The wireless side of the router upstairs is set to WPA2 yet in the help it mentions i should setup WEP for the bridge? This is confusing. Do i need to change the wireless on the router upstairs to WEP to get them to connect?
 
sound like you did everyting right
i would try the wep thing or no security just to make sure that this is not the problem

once you connect you will apply security again
can you ping the routers from the router diagnostic menu
 
ok found out one more thing
change the lan address of second router so that it doesnt match the master
you can stay on the same subnet
so if you have 192.168.1.1 change to 192.168.1.2

on master tho make sure the 192.168.1.2 is not included in dhcp pool
 
wOOOt! It works! i have an internet connection on both pc's downstairs via the second router! :D

I disabled the security on the router upstairs, reset. Then on the machine downstairs its said limited or no connectivity.. I knew from here it hadn't been assigned an ip from the router upstairs so i just ran the connection diagnostics from IE, it said to try to renew the IP, i did and it worked....

Now i'm scared to enable the WEP upstairs lol

Am i right in saying i can setup a WEP key on the router upstairs and i don't have to do anything to the router downstairs for it to connect as it's connecting direct/wirelessly via the MAC addresses?
 
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mate now you know more than me :) have fun.
or get some sleep :)

lol thx for the help guys..

I just encountered the problem you mentioned.. I logged into what i thought was the upstairs router and noticed all my settings has gone??? lol it was the router downstairs! changing the router downstairs from 0.1 to 0.2
 
After completing the setup i made a quick guide....

How to run 2 Netgear 834 routers in WDS:

The following setup guide will allow LAN Internet connections on all 4 ports on both the Master and Slave routers and allow for Wireless device connections on the Slave router.

Master Router: Your existing main router with the internet connection already configured. NOTE: To run WDS you'll need to remove WPA or WPA2 encryption or whatever your using and setup 64 bit WEP keys. (I had the wireless security 'Disabled' on both routers before i began the setup, i then enabled it when i had the routers working together)

Slave router: The 'spare' router used elsewhere in the home to connect wirelessly to the Master router, thus providing an internet connection for Wireless or LAN devices attached to the Slave router.

Firstly: On your Slave router use a bent paper clip or something similar to reset the router settings back to its default settings. The small reset switch hole can usually be found on the back of the router between the power cable and port 1.

Secondly: We need to change the IP address of the Slave router (its a good idea to temporarily switch off the Master router before doing this next bit). Because we have 2 Netgear 834 routers it'll be common that the default login IP addresses will be identical, this will cause problems when running both routers together. In my instance i used 2 X Netgear 834's (Master V4, Slave V3. Both support WDS) and IP's for both were 192.168.0.1 so i changed the Slave routers IP to 192.168.0.2 To do this first log into the Slave router and on the left Click on 'LAN IP Setup' under the 'Advanced' section. Under 'LAN TCP/IP Setup' simply change the IP from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.2, then click on 'Apply' at the bottom to apply the changes. (obviously you'll have to remember to login with the new (192.168.0.2) IP the next time you login)

While we are logged into the Slave router we'd do well to set this up now: Under the 'Advanced' section select 'LAN IP Setup' and untick 'Use router as DHCP Server' then click apply at the bottom to apply the changes. Next under the 'Advanced' heading click on 'Advanced Wireless Settings' then under 'WDS Mode' make sure 'Enable Wireless Bridging And Repeating' is ticked. Next tick the bottom 'Repeater with Wireless Client Association' option and click apply to apply the changes. In this area you will see grey entries under 'local MAC Address' - this address is the MAC address of the Slave router that your connected to and will be needed to configure the Master router, so write it down ready for configuring the Master router. Leave the Slave router logged in and head off to the Master router and power it up. Login to the Master router with: 192.168.0.1 and go to the 'Advanced' 'LAN IP Setup' and leave 'Use router as DHCP Server' ticked but change the 'Starting IP Address to 192.168.0.3. Then click apply at the bottom to apply the changes. Then under the same Advanced' heading go to the 'Advanced Wireless Settings' 'WDS Mode' screen again. In here tick the top 'Enable Wireless Bridging and Repeating' option and tick the middle ' Wireless Point to Multi-Point Bridge'. To the right of this enter the Slave routers MAC address that you wrote down into the 'Remote mac address 1' field and save by clicking apply at the bottom. In the 'Local MAC Address' area write down this greyed out MAC address of the Master router and head back to the Slave router and enter it into the 'Repeater with Wireless Client Association' 'Remote MAC Address 1' field and click apply to apply the settings.

After these changes have been made, shut down all computers that will connect to this network and power off both routers.

Power up the Slave router and wait for a minute or so, then power up the Master router. When you can see the Master router has gone online you can power up the computers. You should now have Internet connections on all ports of both your Master and Slave router. The computers connected to the Master would have generally been uneffected. If you have no internet connection on any computers attached to the Slave router try reaquiring an IP on them.

Security wise you'll need to setup identical WEP keys SSID names on both routers (i'm not sure if this is 100% needed but i did and its fine).
For added wireless security i added all MAC addresses of my connected wireless devices, e.g laptop etc to the trusted list in: 'Setup' 'Wireless Settings' 'Wireless Station Access List' 'Setup Access List'

Its a good idea to check that all of these settings were applied/saved to the router by logging out & logging back in.

Remember: Your login IP for your Master router is 192.168.0.1 and your login IP for your Slave router is now 192.168.0.2

To get your WLAN devices 'Device name' and 'MAC address': In the 'Command' prompt of the laptop for instance type: ipconfig /all then either add these new station details manually to 'SETUP/ WIRELESS SETTINGS' click 'Setup Access List' Or if the matching device is showing in the 'Available Wireless Stations' list just click on 'add' to add it to the 'Trusted Wireless Stations' list. (I put these in the trusted lists of both routers but i think you only need to do this on the Master router, doesn't hurt to do both though)

Hope this helps.
 
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