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Connecting 4K monitors using Displayport/Mini DP cables

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Edit, here is a database that anyone thinking of going 4K using Displayport may find useful.

Products Database

All products in the database bearing the DisplayPort logo have been tested against strict guidelines to ensure they will work as advertised. Only products that undergo testing are permitted to carry the DP logo.

http://www.displayport.org/products-database/?products_category%5b%5d=cables-connectors&products_manufacturer=


As some of you know I have been debating whether a single Mini DP cable can connect your GPUs to a 4K monitor @60htz.

I have just sent another email to Displayport.org about this question as they still have not replied.

While I was looking about their website I found this which if nothing else is a good read if you are thinking about going 4K.


DisplayPort makes display cable selection pretty easy. A standard DisplayPort cable is designed to work with any DisplayPort Source device, such as a PC or laptop, and any DisplayPort monitor. This means that a standard DisplayPort cable will work with the very first DisplayPort systems and displays introduced around five years ago, and they will continue to work with the newest and future systems and displays that support multi-stream and display resolutions up to 4K (Ultra HD) at 60Hz. You can also use a standard DisplayPort cable between a PC and a multi-stream hub, or between daisy-chainable multi-stream monitors. You don’t need worry about getting a special cable to support certain DisplayPort capabilities.

However, we should note that there is one rare exception to this rule; there are a few Reduced Bit Rate (RBR) cables on the market that will support only up to 1080p, but these are generally restricted to projector installation applications. Unless the cable is identified as RBR, it is a standard DisplayPort cable and will support all DisplayPort configurations.

Despite what you may read, there is no such thing as a DisplayPort 1.1 cable and DisplayPort 1.2 cable. A standard DisplayPort cable, including the so-call DisplayPort 1.1 cables, will work for any DisplayPort configuration including the new capabilities enabled by DisplayPort 1.2, including 4K and multi-stream capabilities. All standard DisplayPort cables support RBR, HBR (High Bit Rate), and HBR2 (High Bit Rate 2), which can support 4K at 60Hz, or up to four 1080p displays using multi-stream.

While retailers may try to sell you a more expensive cable touting it will provide a better picture quality, we are here to debunk that myth. Contrary to what you may think, the more expensive cable will not give you a better picture quality. DisplayPort uses packetized data, similar to USB and Ethernet, to send digital display and audio data, therefore you either get all of the data or you don’t. Unlike other older video interfaces, you don’t get a “better” picture or other incremental improvements with a more expensive cable. But of course a poor quality cable could lead to data errors and obvious corruption of the video or audio data, but you can avoid such cables, as explained further below.

One thing you will need to consider in your cable purchase is the connector type on each end of the cable. There are two DisplayPort connector types. The standard DisplayPort connector (see image 1) is about the size of a USB connector, and this type is commonly used on DisplayPort-enabled PC monitors. The smaller mini DisplayPort connector (see image 2) is commonly used for the DisplayPort output on notebook PCs including Apple products. The mini DP connector is now also used for Thunderbolt that is widely used on Apple products. And you can connect any DisplayPort monitor to a Thunderbolt Source, using a standard DisplayPort cable, while achieving DisplayPort quality (Thunderbolt is backwards compatible with DisplayPort, and even includes support for Dual-Mode DP-to-HDMI and DP-to-DVI adaptors, and DP-to-VGA adaptors).

An important criterion for selecting a DisplayPort cable is to know which type of DisplayPort connector you need at each end. The other obvious criterion is cable length; they are generally available in lengths of 1 to 3 meters (up to about 10 feet).

As mentioned previously, it is important to avoid low quality DisplayPort cables to prevent unexpected video or audio problems, and sometimes even system power-up problems. Always buy cables from a reputable computer system or accessory brand. Or safer yet, buy a cable that is DisplayPort certified. DisplayPort certified cables are listed here.

Recently VESA has experienced quite a few complaints regarding troublesome DisplayPort operation that ended up being caused by improperly made DisplayPort cables. These “bad” DisplayPort cables are generally limited to non-DisplayPort certified cables, or off-brand cables. To further investigate this trend in the DisplayPort cable market, VESA purchased a number of non-certified, off-brand cables and found that an alarmingly high number of these were configured improperly and would likely not support all system configurations. None of these cables would have passed the DisplayPort certification test, moreover some of these cables could potentially damage a PC, laptop, or monitor. We have not seen problems with the cables supplied by major computer brands, or major computer accessory brands, nor have we seen any problems with any of the cables that have been DisplayPort certified.

We expect to be adding more certified cables to our published list in the future and will continue to encourage DisplayPort product certification. To achieve the best of DisplayPort’s capabilities, we highly recommend using DisplayPort certified cables, or those from major brand names. Please continue to send us any questions or reports of bad cables that you may be experiencing.

– Craig Wiley, Chairman, VESA

http://www.displayport.org/cables/how-to-choose-a-displayport-cable-and-not-get-a-bad-one/

Although it does not say outright that a Mini DP will work at 4K, I am pretty sure that it will providing the guidelines above are followed.
 
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You were told in the other thread that DP 1.2 can do it, and it was also explained how and why (available bandwidth available over DP 1.2 versus what 4K@60Hz requires).

1080P@60Hz requires 4.45Gb/s, which mean 3840x2160@60Hz requires 17.8Gb/s, and DP1.2 has a max bandwidth of 21.6Gb/s. So yes, DP 1.2 can do 4K@60Hz over DP.

I know you won't accept that though, so;

http://overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-019-AO



Also look to page 3

http://www.amd.com/Documents/50279_AMD_FirePro_DisplayPort_1-2_WP.pdf

There is also no difference between DP and miniDP outside of the connection, as I am getting the impression that you think there is.

You obviously did not read what I wrote in the OP.

If you really want to have a go at me for the shear hell of it please be my guest and carry on.:D
 
Update

I have found a Mini DP to Displayport cable (Made by Accell) that supports the correct bandwidth and standard (1.2) to be compatible with a GTX 690.

So yes you can run 4K over a Mini DP cable.
 
Stop acting like you've just confirmed it, you've had other people telling you it does already.

Unfortunately when you had the opportunity you were unable to help with sourcing the hardware needed (a cable rated at the correct speed to do the job).
 
Did you not read the link you posted? There aren't any speed rated display port cables...

So how could I help you source something under requirements that don't exist?

There are actually, unfortunately I can not post the link as it is a competitor.

Update

I have found a Mini DP to Displayport cable (Made by Accell) that supports the correct bandwidth and standard (1.2) to be compatible with a GTX 690.

So yes you can run 4K over a Mini DP cable.

If you do a web search for the above you will find it.
 
Did you not read the link you posted? There aren't any speed rated display port cables...

So how could I help you source something under requirements that don't exist?

Here is a list that you could have got from my OP.:D

http://www.displayport.org/products-database/?products_category%5b%5d=cables-connectors&products_manufacturer=

I am going to edit the OP to make this list more prominent as it could help people thinking about going 4K.

Will you be going 4K anytime soon ?
 
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Did you not read the link you posted? There aren't any speed rated display port cables...

So how could I help you source something under requirements that don't exist?

Just updated to OP, I think you will find it quite helpful. :)
 
They aren't actually rated, they are certified that they run within specification. While the difference may be subtle, I would say it's a very important one. So it's not a case of getting ones that are rated, it's getting ones that adhere to the spec properly.

Also, I would love to go 4K, however I am not really buying the TN panels, that and I'd want something bigger than 28", as I have 3x 27" 2560 monitors at the moment.

Products Database

All products in the database bearing the DisplayPort logo have been tested against strict guidelines to ensure they will work as advertised. Only products that undergo testing are permitted to carry the DP logo.

I would say this means rated, certified and quite a few more definitions you can think of.:D
 
It's still important, in that these cables are certified to meet the DP spec, and there isn't any noted differences between DP1.0 and DP1.2 cables, if a cable is rated for DP1.0 it'll work with DP1.2, which demonstrates that they're not actually rated for speed, as DP1.2 has twice the bandwidth of DP1.0.

You really need to read the OP, you will find it quite helpfull if you do.
 
I have done, you seem to be the one that's confused though. Cables certified to work with DP 1.0 will work with DP 1.2 also, which means they aren't speed rated, they are certified to be of the correct specification.

It says it all in the text you have quoted;



This demonstrates that there isn't any such thing as speed rated cables. Sure, there are the reduced bit rate ones, but that isn't a rating either, it's a non-standard (and standard is what we're talking about) cable for specific uses, that a consumer typically won't be getting hold of.

You really are embarrassing yourself arguing about points of order.:)
 
No, no I'm not, you are just too stubborn to accept that you've been wrong, again, like you were in the other thread when you had the guy telling you he's using a miniDP cable to connect his 4K TV and is running it at 60Hz. You decided instead to be condescending and suggest that maybe his TV was running at 30Hz despite what he told you.

You really seem to have difficulty reading what I posted in the OP.

I find it most useful keeping an open mind when debating, I am also prepared to change my views on a subject as new information comes to light. This is the whole reason for this thread, I felt the need to state in the OP what my view point is now. I did not wish to have it buried in another post.

Don't you agree that you should keep an open mind.

Perhaps you could even contribute something constructive to the thread, if you are prepared to do this I am sure we will all look forward to it.:)
 
So basically after three days the TLDR is that 4K/60Hz works fine over MDP, you just may have issues if using cheapo cables that don't meet the spec. So essentially what we've been telling you for the past 3 days ^^

I think we are all better informed now so it has been a worthwhile exercise.
 
No because you've taken what we've told you and tried to claim they were your findings, and because of your thread we all now know better. Just no, you were told the information before you started this thread, and most of us haven't learnt anything we didn't already know about display port.

Only loz posted a working solution.

I saw no one post the list in the OP.

I saw a lot of guessing and assuming.

And you contributed nothing useful.
 
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