Considering drop in upgrade from 1700X to 5800X3D

[danlightbulb]

Im on an Asus Prime X370-Pro ATX motherboard. The motherboard and CPU was bought as a bundle package from a competitor back in January 2018 for £305. The 5800X3D is around £315 new.

The Asus support page does say that the 5800X3D is supported with the latest bios update - but there is supported and there is capable. Is my motherboard capable of running the 5800X3D i.e are the VRMs and overall board capability sufficient?

It seems that this will be a very good upgrade if it works.


Alternative options would be 5600 at only £137
5700X at £180
5800X at £230

Thanks
Dan

 

[danlightbulb]

Thanks I just watched a Hardware Unboxed video that did a similar thing.

Seems like a good plan to extend the life of my system by at least another 5 years.

Question is now whether I go for the 5800X3D or the 5700X which is the more value oriented upgrade.

My use these days is mainly seated VR sims and some strategy games, so I think could benefit from the 5800X3D.

 

[danlightbulb]

Is it likely the price of the X3D will come any lower than current £315? There's still quite a large gap between that and the 5800X at £230 or 5700X at £180.

 

[danlightbulb]

What speed does your DDR4 run at? You might bottleneck a 5800X3D if your not running the ram at least 3200.

Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200MHz C16 2x8Gb. On my existing system it was unstable at 3200 so I have it running lower. I never determined if this was a CPU, RAM or MB issue.

 

[danlightbulb]

Done my bios update and ordered the 5800X3D, coming tomorrow. Will be good upgrade see a few more years life out of my system for sure.

 

[danlightbulb]

To note a quick google you can find the 5800x3D for £295.

£299 was the best I found but that was the bay, I didn't want to buy from there.

 

[danlightbulb]

There is no 5950x3D on AM4

I think he meant that he would have wanted one, then he would have upgraded.

Anyway - i type this on my new 5800X3D!

Seems to be working, just about to run a benchmark to test it. I think I may want a cooler upgrade. Im using a Alpenfohn matterhorn tower cooler with 120mm fan, maybe time for an AIO.

 

[danlightbulb]

Temp running Cinebench for 10 mins was about 65C, around 40C under no load Windows browsing.

 

[danlightbulb]

That's pretty good to be honest.

Yeah it was wrong though unfortunately.

Hwinfo was reporting 65c. I then installed all the latest chipset drivers and Ryzen master and that is reporting now about 85c. So I think I should look at an alternative maybe slight undervolting can't do it on mobo though I don't think.

 

[danlightbulb]

Just checked your mobo bios page:
Update AGESA version to ComboV2PI 1208

If it has 1208 it should be 99% there. All mobos I saw who got that Agesa version has that option.

Poke around in bios.

Hard Reset the bios on the mobo itself.. Sometimes the bios still think you are on the old CPU.

What does it look like?

 

[danlightbulb]

Something like this:

I cant see anything like this in my bios, searched all over. I have the 'AI tweaker' menu, but nothing called anything like what you have there.

 

[danlightbulb]

Great upgrade, hope you did a before and after bench.

Cinebench r23 8266 to c.14600, so +77% for five years newer tech.

Always feels like CPU upgrades don't do a great deal doesn't it, unlike GPU upgrades.

 

[danlightbulb]

Oh also the new CPU has made me eligible for windows 11 upgrade - should I or not?

 

[danlightbulb]

Just upgraded my Phanteks p400 case with a mesh front panel from ocuk, airflow loads better and dropped idle temp by nearly 10c on it's own.

 

[danlightbulb]

If you don't have the option in your current BIOS and there's no newer one to try then you can always do it in windows using the PBO2 Tuner app.

I have experimented with this but Im unsure what its doing so I need some advice.

Here are my test results in Cinebench R23 running a 10 minute multicore test:

Test setting in PBO2 Tuner	CPU clock	Temperature	Cinebench score
0 (stock)	4225	74	14211
-10	4322	77	14590
-15	4370	79	14751

Have I misunderstood what this was supposed to do, because I though undervolting the CPU would reduce temperatures and power consumption not increase them?

The CPU is boosting higher and getting a better score, but at the expense of more temperature so Im not sure if this is good?

 

[danlightbulb]

The CPU has a maximum temperature headroom. Since it is boosting higher that means it is getting it.

It is a win for you since you are getting more performance.

Try dropping it to -20, -25 and -30.

If more performance comes with more temperature and power usage though, isn't that bad? I don't want to run it hotter and risk it's lifespan being deteriorated? I thought undervolting was supposed to make it run cooler?

 

[danlightbulb]

Try dropping it to -20, -25 and -30.

Ok here's the full results - I didn't crash at -30 on Cinebench 10 minute test.

Test setting in PBO2 Tuner	CPU clock	Temperature	Cinebench R23 score
0 (stock)	4225	74	14211
-10	4322	77	14590
-15	4370	79	14751
-20	4405	80	14878
-25	4430	78	14953
-30	4449	77	15039

Don't understand whats physically happening here for temperature to go up initially then start to fall back at the more negative settings.

Also CPU is boosting to just about 4.45 GHz. I don't think it will reach 4.5.

 

[danlightbulb]

The max is basically 4.45 during actual usage and can see you are able to hit that with -30 on the PBO2. Surprised it runs hotter at -10 compared to stock but perhaps there was some other limiter there

I didn't write the figures down, but the increasing temperature initially was correlated with an increase in power consumption. It basically went from around 95 to 100 to 105 W reported in Ryzen Master in the first three tests, then in the later tests the power consumption reduced as did the temperature.

 

[danlightbulb]

I cant get PBOtuner to run from the startup folder. Its set as 'on' in the startup app list, its got admin permissions, and it has the command line arguments for -30 all cores.

It just won't run on startup. Any ideas? It runs if I manually run it, so the link and path works. I do get a pop up though asking for permission to run, so maybe that is stopping it running on its own?

 

[danlightbulb]

Have you followed the steps shown in the GitHub link and used windows task scheduler to create the triggers for system startup and wake? If you have it might be worth double checking to make sure in the conditions and settings tab all the needed check boxes are selected

https://github.com/PrimeO7/How-to-u...X3D-Guide-with-PBO2-Tuner/blob/main/README.md

No I followed the other approach which is to create a program shortcut and put that shortcut in the windows startup folder. This should work, but isn't.