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any experienced people have any good links that I can use to read up on how to change coolers?

I'm going to have to remove my stock one as it's crap and replace it with a new cooler.

what do I need to be thinking of money wise

new cooler of course, do I need to buy fans?
thermal paste?
would I need to clean my 4 cores before putting on the cooler?

I really do need some sort of reputable "idiots guide" to cooling :o
 
Price wise i would say top end would be £50, a lot of people say this is a good HSF, which you would then need to buy atleast 1 fan for, but for best performance yyou would buy 2 and use a push pull system would look like this:
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Another cooler highly recommended is This one, which i am not sure about but i think can also run push/pull with 2 fans, but am not 100%

The coolers should come with instructions on how to fit them, or you could probably just head to youtube/google and find a video showing how to fit most common coolers very quickly that would help. The coolers should already come with some thermal grease from my experiance, but you can buy a few different types and varieties, see here. Personal i would recommend arctic silver 5, i like it, it works well lol, better then most overs i have used and yeah, you will need to clean the processor before applying need thermal material and the new cooler, this would do that job. =]
 
Sunbeam core freezer is a good cooler and if your on a budget have a look at Arctic freezer 7 pro, this has MX2 pre applied.

Also to remember some coolers require the motherboard to be removed, the 2 I recommended can be done without the board being removed.

Heatsink paste MX2 or Arctic silver 5 is highly recommended and grab some of the Tim cleaner linked above.
 
The Noctua heatsink can accomodate 2 fans in push/pull configuration, as I have it like that. Doesn't gain much increase in performance regarding core temps, jst more noise. However, if every degree counts, go for the thermalright heatsink, as the Noctua heatsink doesn't need 2 fans really.

I saw 1 degree difference on load when using 2 fans, as opposed to 1 :D
 
1 degree? is that it? i was told the performance gain from 2 fans was rather good, apparently i need to find better sources of information lol. what are your temps when loaded cje? been interested in changing my hsf and have been considering the noctua for my q6600
 
subbytna - I am a beginner, but have now changed my cooler twice, and can say it is very easy. The 2 coolers RJC suggests are what I have used and now use (I fitted my Sunbeam 3 days ago) and both are so easy to fit. You may want to clean off the existing thermal paste (I used some Akasa cleaner ) as it makes for better thermal conduct, and then apply the paste, which comes with the Sunbeam cooler.
The instructions included are so clear but I did remove my mobo from the case, as I was swapping cases anyway, but it may help if you have big hands or are slightly nervous.
Most coolers come with fans, and depending on how noisy you like things, it may be worth getting a quieter fan, like the Noctua range - the Sunbeam comes with a fan, but the Thermalright suggested by Thom, which is meant to be one of the best does not - it may, depending on your use, be overkill for you. I guess it took me about 10 minutes at most to do, and about 6 minutes were spent reading instructions !
Good luck !
Steve
 
thanks steve

thanks everyone, appreciated info guys ;)

what's a push pull system???

fans in reverse so one is sucking air and one blowing???? how would I fit 2 fans on a cooler? Would there be room

going to post up some pics to see if there is room....get your opinions


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from bottom looking up




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look at teh dust on this!!!!!! this is the stock cooler I'm binning and getting a new one. That dust really is bad isn't it :(:eek:



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Stuck my hand in to try and show depth...would I have enough room for a decent cooler?


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...and maybe a dust filter infront of the intake fan.. ?
OK, push pull means one fan pushing air through th cpu cooler, and another on the other side sucking it out, thus helping efficiency. From what I read, it helps at extreme overclocking, but for most use it is overkill, as it may only reduce temps by a degree or two.
Can't help about the room question though, and a pleasure to be able to offer some advice - for weeks I have been asking questions, now I can return the favour !
 
yeah, your not really gonna need a push pull, i just like em :P i think you could fit the cooler in, but you may have to move the main power cord thingy and route ir around the board the other way, tbh measurements with a measuring device that had cm on or something would be better then one of you hands :P lol but yeah you could probably fit the ones i suggested, but they are very much the top end of hsf's and maybe you should go for something not so top end? unless you think you are up for it but like other have said, it's not that hard, my first build i used a top end zalman, and second a true. it's not that hard:)
 
/Thom\ said:
1 degree? is that it? i was told the performance gain from 2 fans was rather good, apparently i need to find better sources of information lol. what are your temps when loaded cje? been interested in changing my hsf and have been considering the noctua for my q6600
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Difference will depend on the density of the fins on the heatsink, the TRUE has very dense fins and therefore requires a high static pressure to move the air through the fin space... now with one powerful fan like a delta this isnt going to be an issue as it has enough power to push the air through... however most "day to day" fans do not and therefore you run a push-pull setup as the 2nd fan in pull lowers the air pressure on the backside of the heatsink allowing the air from the push fan to be pulled through more easily..

The difference that you notice in temperature will also depend on how much heat load you are trying to put through the TRUE... a Q6600 @ 3.2ghz is not producing enough heat load to notice a big difference between 1 or 2 fans, 1 fan is enough to "cool" the fins and transfer the heat... however at 3.8ghz you will not more of a difference from the push-pull as a single fan probably wont be enough.

The TRUE will transfer around 150 - 160 watts of heat output according to its engineers in a push - pull set-up... speaking from experience and some limited testing 1 2000 RPM fan is normally enough to deal with around 75 watts of heat load so in theory two in push - pull so see the heatsink working at around its max capacity.
 
I swap that cheapo 92mm extract fan for a quality 120mm too.

Also I don't think you'll fit a TRUE in that case - doesn't look wide enought... might just but it looks like you have around 150mm clearance not the 165mm that a TRUE needs.

If you want a tower cooler the sunbeam would be a better bet at 155mm it should just fit (worth measuring the distance from mobo to side panel (minus 5mm for the chip) to make sure.
 
shadowscotland said:
I swap that cheapo 92mm extract fan for a quality 120mm too.

Also I don't think you'll fit a TRUE in that case - doesn't look wide enought... might just but it looks like you have around 150mm clearance not the 165mm that a TRUE needs.

If you want a tower cooler the sunbeam would be a better bet at 155mm it should just fit (worth measuring the distance from mobo to side panel (minus 5mm for the chip) to make sure.
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I take it you're talking about the last picture...fan to the left? Would I get a 120 size in there? I'll have to measure and see what's what.

Will have a nosey at the sunbeam...thanks for all the inputs....decision time for me and the cooler is looming ;)
 
subbytna said:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-000-TQ&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=1395

this be the one you would suggest? Pending measurements being ok?

I'm assuming this cooler is ok for a quad core rig?




and http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-005-AF&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=4 for a new 120MM fan?
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Thats the one (the sunbeam core cooler)

As cmndr_andi says, the Noctua ones are said to be the best, and are certainly quiet but a little pricy compared to some.
 
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