Council House tenants ?

Wicksta said:
Did I say that? I'm comparing Deuce to the people he spends all day complaining about. If he spent the same amount of effort in finding a job we wouldnt have to subsidise his accomodation....
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it certainly looked like you said that. Perhaps your post could have been a little less ambiguous? it's not like i knew he was unemployed.....

dolph said:
You pay market rate rent for your house size and area? Really?
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For the record, I do. Though its a 1 bed flat - I recognise that houses are far cheaper comparatively. Flats, in this area at least, are not.
 
Pestilence said:
Our neighbours are council tenants who were initially given their house due to bad times (homeless single mother, etc).

Since then, she started a rather successful at-home business and her full-time employed partner moved in. They earn more a month than we do as a professional couple, but still remained on subsidised rent etc, free kitchen and bathroom upgrades when available yadda yadda.

Now, they've been moved to a larger council property, still subsidised, because of their family expanding beyond the capacity of the previous house. They have more money to wipe their ***** with than we, as homeowners, could ever dream of...yet they sure as hell don't need the social assistance they're receiving anymore.

We do consider them friends, but still it's irksome to know. If the system was fair, people in their situation would be financially investigated and passed on to a relevant private landlord.
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how do they get a subsidised rent still, Housing benefit is calculated on income, if they have a good monthly income then they will receive no HB


if they are nor declaring their income grass them up to the benefits fraud dept.

social housing is still relevant in parts of the country

the almo I work for has approx 18000 residential homes,and approx 13000 of those receive some sort of housing benefit

there are still large swathes of the country where people receive well below the uk's average wage

average monthly rent for a 2-3 bed house will be 320 cpm at full rent

rents are closing up mind as legislation was introduced a few years ago so local authorities are required to close the rent differential between private and council rents...so if you are earning you will be paying more year on year and if you receive HB because you are either unemployed or on a low wage then you don't lose out so much
 
Holy Daily Mail Headlines Batman! What's all this social assistance crap? You only get an allowance towards housing costs if you're earning under a certain threshold, and the same is applicable for council tenants or private house holders, or those renting privately. So anyone in a good job, earning decent money and getting housing benefits is almost certainly doing something fraudulent.

Anyone, and that means ANYONE... you, I, Cheryl Cole, David Beckham whoever can currently put themselves on a council house waiting list, and in time (time often being measured in years) get a house (or 1 bed flat etc depending on circumstances). The fact that somebody CHOOSES to live in what is in all likelyhood going to be a nicer home, and pay more for for it privately is their own choice. Whining about it is akin to complaining your BMW X5 costs more to run than my Kia Picanto, you CHOSE to run that car!

The whole idea bout the recent decent homes schemes (i.e these people getting all teh stuffs for free) was so that much of the remaining dilapidated housing stock was actually brought upto a 'reasonable' standard so that rents could justifiably be increased to a level more akin to private rentals, much of the housing stock was deemed unfit by the EU.

Just as a guide, the allocated budget for general repairs to a 3 bedroomed council property in my borough for the year ending 2009!? £56.. yep that's £56 allocated for ALL the general maintenance on that house that the tenant doesn't already have responsibility for. BTW the rentals for a standard 3 bedroomed house in this borough is just shy of £400pcm, which yes is lower than many private rentals of equivalent size.. but not by as much as you might think, and it IS possible to rent privately cheaper also. The ONLY benefit most working and earning council tenants get realistically is some security in their tenancy, by knowing they can't be simply thrown out on a whim.
 
rayer said:
"average monthly rent for a 2-3 bed house will be 320 cpm at full rent"

WOW, where is that, thats very cheap !!!
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Not bristol :)

It isn't exceptional for private renting around stoke-on-trent for example. Think a lot of places I looekd at were round £400.
 
Joshy said:
I think people need to take a step back and realize that people working and living in council houses is the lesser of two evils. They can either work, pay rent (It might not be market rent for similar properties in the private sector, but it is rent), council tax, income tax, etc, or of course they could jack in their jobs and go on the dole 100%. I know which one I prefer.

In the case of my mother who is a low paid worker in council accommodation we would be able to survive anywhere even remotely local to our places of work without the subsidised rent of our property, even with both of our combined incomes. I think the rent she pays here in more or less exactly the same amount I'd expect to pay for a single room in this sort of area.

It's a bit of a rut. We'd love to go private and get a bigger property (for many, many reasons. Despite what it sounds like council accommodation isn't a bed of roses) but right now it isn't viable.
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The post I originally made was about people in these coucil houses who are now on good wages, and refuse to move out as they are onto a winner. Also, as stated in this thread, I also know some people who have more children which automaticallys entitles them to a larger house. (If I wanted too, it would cost me a fortune :(.) They also have this 'swap ' scheme I see advertised in the supermarkers, what a luxury that is !!! :eek:
 
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rayer said:
The post I originally made was about people in these coucil houses who are now on good wages, and refuse to move out as they are onto a winner. Also, as stated in this thread, I also know some people who have more children which automaticallys entitles them to a larger house. If I wanted too, it would cost me a fortune. They also have this 'swap ' scheme I see advertised in the supermarkers, what a luxury that is !!! :eek:
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Instead of complaining about how unfair it all is, and how hard done by you are.. just go put your name on a council waiting list.. as you are perfectly entitled to do so at present, and see for yourself how great it all is! :rolleyes:
 
FTM said:
how do they get a subsidised rent still, Housing benefit is calculated on income, if they have a good monthly income then they will receive no HB
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average monthly rent for a 2-3 bed house will be 320 cpm at full rent

rents are closing up mind as legislation was introduced a few years ago so local authorities are required to close the rent differential between private and council rents...so if you are earning you will be paying more year on year and if you receive HB because you are either unemployed or on a low wage then you don't lose out so much
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That's why they are receving subsidised housing, because they are being charged far less than market rate for the house in most areas.
 
Swampster said:
Instead of complaining about how unfair it all is, and how hard done by you are.. just go put your name on a council waiting list.. as you are perfectly entitled to do so at present, and see for yourself how great it all is! :rolleyes:
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Best of luck.

We've been conically overcrowded here for the past 8 years and haven't received a single offer of a bigger property (I know, I know, we're entitled to nothing, blah, blah, blah).
 
rayer said:
I understand this new rule is for new tenants, but what about loads of existing tenants ? I know loads of people who are earning a good living, some driving around in flash new cars yet must be getting their new kitchens, windows, repairs at my tax expense.
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At your tax expense, lol. If you were renting private accomadation and the boiler broke, would you pay for a new one out of your own pocket. I don't see what the problem is. It is the responsibility of the landlord to keep the property in good living condition, it is the law. You pay rent to just live in the property, it is not the tenants resposibility to upgrade the home to legal living standards.
 
MeatLoaf said:
Ive no idea to be honest, i pay £68 a week rent and £76 a month council tax. Thats for a 3 bed house.

My wife lives nect door in an identical 3 bed house but hers is private rented. Her rent is £125 a week.
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Unless your wife is paying massively over the odds, you're paying just over 50% market rate...
 
Wicksta said:
You are a complete leech to society yet are complaining about immigrants daily. lol.
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Wicksta said:
Did I say that? I'm comparing Deuce to the people he spends all day complaining about. If he spent the same amount of effort in finding a job....
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Wicksta said:
Did I say that? I'm comparing Deuce to the people he spends 24x7 complaining about. If he spent the same amount of effort in finding a job we wouldnt have to subsidise his accomodation.
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Are you blind as well as stupid? I said the same as MeatLoaf
"I pay full rent and full council tax." and I work! and I have paid over 35 years in taxes..
Now show me where you got that I don't work..asap or GTFOH
 
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basically, we treat all Housing Association and Council tenants as one type, its called social Housing.
I think open market rent should be charged, not subsidised as its yet another benefit.
Possibly look at the Amercian way of running their Projects? The tenants work hard to escape them, its a shameful place to live, not comfyland, and when their money goes over a certain level they HAVE to leave and make way for a more needy family?
And meatloaf, why are you double scrounging off the state?
mrs herbs
social landlord
 
Dolph said:
That's why they are receving subsidised housing, because they are being charged far less than market rate for the house in most areas.
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False Dichotomy I'm afraid! And typical tabloid style sensationalism.

First of all, in normal circumstances they don't get charged 'far less in most areas' and nevertheless what gap there maybe is closing. Secondly it is not subsidised either, the rents are set at a sustainable level that more than covers their costs, just because people renting privately are funding the jet-setting lifestyles of their landlords does not mean that social housing is being subsidised.

Thirdly, I'm going to have a stab at some of this sensationalism myself because I'm sick of 'subsidising' all these people living in flash houses who currently have mortgages upto their eyeballs and yet are currently paying next to nothing due to the artificially repressed interest rates! Make them pay proper market interest rates, and throw them on the street if they can't afford it! Or better still put them on a council waiting list! :rolleyes:

Joshy said:
Best of luck.

We've been conically overcrowded here for the past 8 years and haven't received a single offer of a bigger property (I know, I know, we're entitled to nothing, blah, blah, blah).
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Indeed, but hush you.. we won't mention such things, far better to propagate the myth that you're obviously some kind of social parasite!
 
BENJAMIN HERBLE said:
I think open market rent should be charged, not subsidised as its yet another benefit.
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And what about low income workers who simply would not be able to afford their rent if it was market rate? Would you prefer them to jack in their jobs and go 100% on benefits?

Like I said, subsidised rent for workers is the lesser of two evils.

BENJAMIN HERBLE said:
Possibly look at the Amercian way of running their Projects? The tenants work hard to escape them, its a shameful place to live, not comfyland,
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Have you been to a council estate in the rough areas of London? Not exactly what I'd call "comfyland" :D
 
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