CPU (5800X3D) upgrade process and recommended BIOS for Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (Wi-Fi) X570

[CTV]

APOLOGIES FOR THE LONG POST:


Hi All,

As the subject of the post alludes to, I want to upgrade my current AMD Ryzen 7 3700X processor to a newly purchased 5800X3D, for which I am in need of advice. I have an Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (Wi-Fi) X570 motherboard.

Historically, I had a lot of trouble with the setup, originally with the 0803 version of the BIOS, though I suspect the same might have been the case for a couple of releases thereafter. I had issues with and intermittent boot issue with POST Q-Code "8d" which seemed to be common at and shortly after launch of the motherboard. After reaching out to the Asus country manager who in turn reached out to the lead BIOS programmer at Asus HQ, he shared recommendations to manually try to set VDDG voltage to 1.0v to see and SOC voltage to 1.15v, which I have a suspicion did work, though it has been so long ago I can't remember anymore. I have since also upgraded the BIOS over time to one or more newer versions with the latest being 3904. Looking at my current BIOS settings, it does seem the manual VDDG and SOC voltages are set to auto which may imply the newer release I am running from the original problem version(s) fixed the issue (requiring no manual intervention anymore).

You may ask why I am mentioning all this historical information in context of the subject regarding a CPU upgrade? Well, I am fearful my now out of warranty motherboard might decide to go faulty (heaven forbid into an unrecoverable state) if I don't take the time, effort and care to properly investigate the process and consider what the word on the streets are so to speak when it comes to this process and especially CPU and motherboard combination, not to mention BIOS versioning often playing a significant role. I don't want a CPU upgrade which is supposed to be an exciting event, to turn into a regret, nightmare and/or system instability.

My own research left me to deduce that version 4006 or perhaps even the one prior that I am running, does support the 5800X3D, based on the release note of 4006 stating: "...2. Improve system performance for AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D", though of course might not be too wise to go for the older or oldest version that supports the 5800X3D.

There has of course been several other newer versions released, but doing quick searches online suggests that some have had their own set of challenges, supposedly even the latest at the time of writing (4902). Some people are suggesting 4805 is better and others some slightly older.

This makes it really difficult to decide which BIOS version I should upgrade to before swapping (upgrading) the processor. Which BIOS version is best suited and most stable for the 5800X3D and this motherboard?

Furthermore, when should I upgrade the chipset drivers and do I also need to be worried about versioning and stable releases?

Lastly, what can you guys recommend I do to perform a BEFORE and AFTER system stability check(s) to ensure no gremlins got into the system as part of the upgrades (hardware and software)? FYI, I am running Windows 10 (22H2) 64 bit and for cooling I am using a Corsair AIO.

Many thanks in advance - much appreciated.

Best regards,
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PS: Anything else I need to be aware (or weary of?)

 

[mickyflinn]

Hi and welcome.

The 5700x3d is much better value compared to the 5800x3d and performs similar.

As for bios version you need at least the version to support the CPU of choice , I've had a look and can't see any bios note requiring bios version updates before updating to newer but please check.

Either do the supported bios and see how it goes or just go for the latest, your motherboard has a bios flashback feature this allows you to flash bios if things go wrong

Sometimes your just gotta go for it but do read the bios version notes first in case I missed something.

 

[CTV]

Hi and welcome.

The 5700x3d is much better value compared to the 5800x3d and performs similar.

As for bios version you need at least the version to support the CPU of choice , I've had a look and can't see any bios note requiring bios version updates before updating to newer but please check.

Either do the supported bios and see how it goes or just go for the latest, your motherboard has a bios flashback feature this allows you to flash bios if things go wrong

Sometimes your just gotta go for it but do read the bios version notes first in case I missed something.

Thanks for your reply. Although I do agree with your sentiment that the 5700x3D is better value, especially in context of gaming, I have already purchased the 5800X3D (still needs installation), and I also use my PC for some workstation loads therefore I preferred the higher clocks.

 

[mickyflinn]

Thanks for your reply. Although I do agree with your sentiment that the 5700x3D is better value, especially in context of gaming, I have already purchased the 5800X3D (still needs installation), and I also use my PC for some workstation loads therefore I preferred the higher clocks.

Then take the plunge , set the memory to the correct frequency and boot settings in the bios after you install the CPU..

 

[gupsterg]

Historically, I had a lot of trouble with the setup, originally with the 0803 version of the BIOS, though I suspect the same might have been the case for a couple of releases thereafter. I had issues with and intermittent boot issue with POST Q-Code "8d" which seemed to be common at and shortly after launch of the motherboard. After reaching out to the Asus country manager who in turn reached out to the lead BIOS programmer at Asus HQ, he shared recommendations to manually try to set VDDG voltage to 1.0v to see and SOC voltage to 1.15v, which I have a suspicion did work, though it has been so long ago I can't remember anymore. I have since also upgraded the BIOS over time to one or more newer versions with the latest being 3904. Looking at my current BIOS settings, it does seem the manual VDDG and SOC voltages are set to auto which may imply the newer release I am running from the original problem version(s) fixed the issue (requiring no manual intervention anymore).

UEFI 0803 was very early release, AMD and motherboard manufacturers were ironing out issues in firmware, the platform is way mature now. I was an early adopter of several of the high-end ASUS AM4 boards, besides CPUs.

You may ask why I am mentioning all this historical information in context of the subject regarding a CPU upgrade? Well, I am fearful my now out of warranty motherboard might decide to go faulty (heaven forbid into an unrecoverable state) if I don't take the time, effort and care to properly investigate the process and consider what the word on the streets are so to speak when it comes to this process and especially CPU and motherboard combination, not to mention BIOS versioning often playing a significant role. I don't want a CPU upgrade which is supposed to be an exciting event, to turn into a regret, nightmare and/or system instability.

That board can't go unrecoverable on a firmware basis. It has flashback feature, which only requires the board to have power in it and no other hardware and you can program the UEFI to it. As long as you physically don't damage board, install CPU incorrectly, it should go to plan.

My own research left me to deduce that version 4006 or perhaps even the one prior that I am running, does support the 5800X3D, based on the release note of 4006 stating: "...2. Improve system performance for AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D", though of course might not be too wise to go for the older or oldest version that supports the 5800X3D.

There has of course been several other newer versions released, but doing quick searches online suggests that some have had their own set of challenges, supposedly even the latest at the time of writing (4902). Some people are suggesting 4805 is better and others some slightly older.

I'd use the latest UEFI. The change logs never state all things that have been updated/tweaked in a UEFI.

Furthermore, when should I upgrade the chipset drivers and do I also need to be worried about versioning and stable releases?

Install the latest.

BTW Welcome to the forum and I hope you enjoy your new CPU .

 

[CTV]

Opinions on the latest 4902 BIOS?

 

[CTV]

Opinions on the latest 4902 BIOS?

I took the plunge with 4902. Ran Prime95 and various types OCCT cycles - cautiously being optimistic so far.

I thought of updating to the latest chipset drivers, only to come to my surprise “realize” (suspect) I never installed the (official) AMD chipset drivers on the system at all. The only AMD programs installed was an older Ryzen Master version and (Rewards) Product Verification Tool. System has been running “fine” for years this way.

I tried to then install the latest AMD chipset driver which eventually “fails”, or to be more specific when looking at the log summary fails on all but one:

Failures: AMD Ryzen Power Plan, AMD PCI Device Driver, AMD PSP Driver & AMD SMBus Driver
Success: AMD GPIO Driver

I’ve not spent mich time troubleshooting, but have tried removing any and all AMD software, even if chipset software seemed lacking from the start and retried - same thing.

There is a massive log I can go through but I haven’t had the time and energy to go through it.

Any ideas?

 

[gupsterg]

Not had this issues, been updating UEFI/Chipset drivers as and when they released on a few AM4 boards.

Seen in the past on AMD (official forum) suggestion of using ms troubleshooter to uninstall drivers, then run AMD install again.

 

[ltron]

I took the plunge with 4902. Ran Prime95 and various types OCCT cycles - cautiously being optimistic so far.

I thought of updating to the latest chipset drivers, only to come to my surprise “realize” (suspect) I never installed the (official) AMD chipset drivers on the system at all. The only AMD programs installed was an older Ryzen Master version and (Rewards) Product Verification Tool. System has been running “fine” for years this way.

I tried to then install the latest AMD chipset driver which eventually “fails”, or to be more specific when looking at the log summary fails on all but one:

Failures: AMD Ryzen Power Plan, AMD PCI Device Driver, AMD PSP Driver & AMD SMBus Driver
Success: AMD GPIO Driver

I’ve not spent mich time troubleshooting, but have tried removing any and all AMD software, even if chipset software seemed lacking from the start and retried - same thing.

There is a massive log I can go through but I haven’t had the time and energy to go through it.

Any ideas?

Uninstall and reinstall the latest AMD chipset drivers while disconnected from the internet. Microsoft may be installing chipset drivers via Windows Update which would cause the installation to fail.

Also, check your Windows Update history to see if Microsoft have done this, sometimes you have to delete the installation folder for the AMD installer to work.

By the way, the AMD Ryzen Power Plan is not used with Zen 3 and later, make sure your power plan is set to the standard Windows Balanced one.

 

[hornetstinger]

UEFI 0803 was very early release, AMD and motherboard manufacturers were ironing out issues in firmware, the platform is way mature now. I was an early adopter of several of the high-end ASUS AM4 boards, besides CPUs.


That board can't go unrecoverable on a firmware basis. It has flashback feature, which only requires the board to have power in it and no other hardware and you can program the UEFI to it. As long as you physically don't damage board, install CPU incorrectly, it should go to plan.


I'd use the latest UEFI. The change logs never state all things that have been updated/tweaked in a UEFI.


Install the latest.

BTW Welcome to the forum and I hope you enjoy your new CPU .

It's standard policy to hold your breath during flashing.

 

[Joxeon]

Thanks for your reply. Although I do agree with your sentiment that the 5700x3D is better value, especially in context of gaming, I have already purchased the 5800X3D (still needs installation), and I also use my PC for some workstation loads therefore I preferred the higher clocks.

You’d have been best off just going with AM5 rather than spending out on a 5800X3D, even the budget chips like the 7700 which can be picked up for around £150 offer similar gaming performance but much higher clocks and MT for productivity.

 

[gupsterg]

It's standard policy to hold your breath during flashing.

And the clenching of the...

You’d have been best off just going with AM5 rather than spending out on a 5800X3D, even the budget chips like the 7700 which can be picked up for around £150 offer similar gaming performance but much higher clocks and MT for productivity.

I reckon OPs use case isn't heavy thread applications as had a 3700X and went 5800X3D. So for normal everyday non gaming loads, I doubt an appreciable difference they may experience with 7700. Depending upon how much OP paid for 5800X3D, may have been better option then going AM5, which would mean new board+DDR5.