CPU mobo support

[slim01]

Ok long story short I've been having MASSIVE issues after upgrading to 5800x, new bios and a 3080.

I have another thread on that, but wondering, I really wanna put my mobo BIOS back to stock for the Asus x570-p, which I know was working fine on with a 3600 and rtx3070... but then I'm worried my 5800x won't work in it?

Iver tried pretty much everything else (drivers, fresh w10, unplug everything), short of replacing any parts (which I'm buying several now).

I do remember reading somewhere once you update this though cpu support can't be done... So...
1) Will I brick my mobo if I revert to an old bios?
Or
2) will 5800x still work even with old bios?


Also, what are symptoms of a bad cpu guys? CAN they cause say poor draw distance, texture pop in and weird tessellation making the ground move up/down as you get closer/further? Shadow flickers? Bad AA?

 

[slim01]

It’s really unlikely the BIOS is the issue.

When you've tried everything I have so far, you can only assume its the most unlikely of causes. Never in 15 years of building have I thought to change a cpu or psu if system POSTS.

I honestly think the mobo is screwed. After the bios update I noticed a
high temp in hw monitor (no idea what), and the pch mobo fan was always at like 2000-3500rpm when just idling in windows.

Does anywhere hear actually know what's behind that fan? Someone said a while ago it's not northbridge, is it chipset cooler, what does chipset actually control, it has a pcie controller? Might explain a lot. Its like the gpu and cpu and parts are unable communicating properly with each other.

 

[slim01]

Graphics issuies are rarley caused by the cpu, can you try your 3080 in another pc or borrow another gpu ?

Its always a risk flashing an older bios unless you have bios flashback feature on the motherboard, which yours doesn't. You need to check which bios first supported the 5800x

*EDIT - So I'm now going to pick up a 3700x I got for £185... Should I try revert to just 5800x bios first? Or right back to the first bios? Issue on asus site is I don't think they say which cpu support added, just "cpu support added".
I'm at the point now where I have to take some risks perhaps... I've done the easy stuff.

I've already had this issue, with now I think 3 gpus. I'm certain it's not gpu.
*They all share the same driver though I think, but not many other people have these issues, so what gives?

I've already tried 4 gpu drivers old and new, one known working on a 3070. Same issue.

 

[slim01]

+1

A bad CPU or BIOS cannot cause any of the symptoms you've mentioned

Personally I'd be trying a clean windows/driver install - as it doesn't sound like a hardware issue.

LOL... As mentioned I've done the easy stuff, about 10 times over. It's nothing you'd think of right away... unless you're a genius.

The cpu and bios are literally the only things I changed for this to happen. Did drop a screwdriver on mobo though, and spilt some paste. But cleaned well.

Well now I've bought basically every I SHOULD need to make a new system/test the old one...
A 3700x
A seasonic gx 850w
And the same mobo
A cheapo ssd
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+I've done a full 48 pass on memtest, so I'm sure memory is OK.... Still wondering if I should pick up a cheapo stick.

I'm really REALLY temped to see if I can recreate the issue on the new board, but at the same time petrified if I do that, I won't be able to fix it even if I know the cause. I'll prob keep the 3700x and sell the 5800x if it works.

 

[slim01]

No dont change the bios just try the 3700x.

Yeah will try that first... I'm trying to do everything in steps so I can find this bitch of an issue and help all the guys on a group online I'm in I met on YouTube issue videos. Now in discord group.

It's known issue but nobody has the cure... Yet nobody. People saying they've changed their ENTIRE system... And it still doesn't work. Which to me, is impossible. I don't believe it.

They say the power in the house is dirty... So then why did it USED to work?
And why not take it to your mates house to try there? I don't believe em when they say they've tried that.

 

[slim01]

@slim01, please describe in full detail the method that you have used to flash the bios prior to installing your 5800x.
I'm asking because it could actually be very important. When i say method i mean, what are you flashing from, how is that media formatted, what did you do in the bios before you started the flashing process ?

I'm listening...

OK I THINK this is how it went...

I used the Asus asus "EZ flash" from Windows OS, and the E and Z cannot stand for easy... It was the shadiest thing I've ever seen by asus. Horrible software.
I never update my bios unless needed, so it was stock bios probs.

Didn't even work the first time I tried (said driver not recognised or valid or something) when I tried to install the lastest one, then failed again when I tried the first bios version I saw with "cpu support updated". I tried that again, and it worked. It restarted, in the bios then it updated slowly and painfully for 5 mins, then back into windows.

I think then I Tried again the most recent one and finally it started to pre load it or something as before (whilst in Windows), then restarted, installed and I was on the latest bios.

I'm about 90% sure I did that twice. Then dropped in the 5800x and 3080ti, played some games for can't remember a good 30hrs or so on alien fireteam no issues, then 10hrs or so on Horizon, and noted a FEW issues of poor draw distance and pop of horizon but not major, later got the 3070ti INSTALLED DRIVERS AGAIN, NOTING THEY HAD THE EXACT SAME FILE NAME (idiot) in my downloads folder afterwards, and that's when I really started walking around thinking this ain't right... What a poop gpu... But it wasn't gpu.


Thanks for your insight, means a lot.

 

[slim01]

I had a feeling that might be the case. NEVER EVER flash from Windows, always flash from the bios. Do the following and see if you see a difference.
Download and save the latest bios from Asus onto a usb stick formatted to fat32................download it direct to the usb stick, don't save it and then move it to the usb stick.
Go to the usb stick, extract the bios, use the re-naming tool it came with and then delete everything on the usb stick other than the re-named bios.
Re-boot to bios and then reset the bios to default, save and re-boot back to the bios.
Go to EZ then click on the new bios, and follow the instructions to flash.

Yeah I knew it was bad but was already balls deep after it started in windows, and well, it seemed to work the first time, so then went to newest drivers.

I will try the above right now! Thank you! However I am confused... I thought was mentioned earlier bios cannot cause these issues?

Also... Is it going to let me install the exact same bios version over itself? Is that what the rename tool is?

I'll also post below everything I've done so far, it's a long read mind you... Please don't bother if you're busy

 

[slim01]

Potential issues...
(yes, **worst build I've done)
-spilt a bit of kyronaut paste into cpu socket but thought cleaned up nicely.
-I did have to YANK a 3080ti out of the pcie socket (snapping the retention clip of mobo). There was some bending on the mobo and also dropped a screwdriver on mobo trying to open clip.

Also...
-something hot in pc (46-53c idle), mobo fan idles around 2000rpm and often goes up to +3000rpm.


**what I've tried so far as of 12/11/2021**
-RE-installing newest 3070ti drivers in safe mode after using DDU.
-tried 10+ games across different SSD's. All inhibit some issues.
-"trc" changed "bank cycle time" from 75 to 58 as per jdec specs (all others to xmp).
-tried 3070ti in both pcie slots.
-updated chipset drivers (I was on stock).
-replaced with a gigabyte 3080.
-loaded optimised defaults in BIOS, note: left ram on stock from here.
-fiddled with most display settings in nvidia control panel.
Then...
-disconnected everything (USB 3.0, sound card, all fans ALL old SSD's), left memory in as can't access easy.
-fresh copy of Windows 10, on a brand new ssd.
-did win10 updates,
-installed newest gpu driver (ddu+safe mode).
-loaded Horizon, still looks bad.
-Tried last know working gpu driver (same one I would have used on rtx3070 (June 2021) using DDU + safe mode.
-tried all psu cables in different ports.
-different sata and pcie power cables.
-tried powering pc from different wall socket, room, and also a mains filtering extension.
-plugged gpu into a work monitor with DisplayPort (instead of usual hdmi).
-cleared CMOS.
-48 passes (all) of memtest (default clocks)
-tried praying to the PC gods....

Next steps?
-Try ram in diff slots.
-Try 3080 and ram in new system when it arrives(3700x, a used replacement x570-p, seasonic 850w and the ssd I got before).
-Re-inspect cpu/socket for excess TIM.
-Reinstall bios. Revert to older one?

 

[slim01]

Forget all that, Just do a proper bios flash first. Then you can go back to windows and do chipset and GPU updates again knowing you have a stable bios.

So what you guys are saying is that yeah bios should not affect graphical issues however it will stop the gpu drivers from being installed correctly?

I just got back from the pub now, will try the above.

 

[slim01]

Is GPU being recognised at 16x or being capped at say 1x? That might explain the things you are seeing

Confirmed using the gpu-z test thing the gpu runs at pcie3. 0 x16 as it should (as I'm on a riser), however I did notice when I had the 3070ti in the second slot, it was only running at pcie4.0 x4. Mobo manual says they're both x16 pcie4.0 slots.

I can't put the 3080 in the slot to test again it's too big (unless I take everything out of case).

You think issues I'm having would happen if both pcie slots were damaged from yanking out the 3080ti?
Because it WAS right after I put in the 3070ti, NOT right after updating bios and adding 5800x and during the 20-30hrs of gaming on the 3080ti that I noticed these issues to be honest. Otherwise I never would have even sold the 3080ti.

 

[slim01]

Just in case anyone here wants to see videos:

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Texture pop less than one metre, and see though holes (Inc map to where most of these videos are, but this happens everywhere)...
https://streamable.com/ryexqm

Holes in textures on cliff Wall
https://streamable.com/d53ot4

Really bad tessellation
https://streamable.com/i46xxf

Texture pop on rocks, close range radial
https://streamable.com/nd51mr

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This is from the campfire just south of devil's grief, Aloy facing east:
Flashy and glitchy shadows
https://streamable.com/y7fgnz

Texture pop on icicles? in the cave hoard, by banuk encampment
https://streamable.com/fyivjt

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I've got many more vids, also same things happening in other games, but quality is really bad on upload site there and can't be arsed unless you guys wanna see. Or have my phone number to WhatsApp easily lol.
I just checked you can only send pics on steam.

 

[slim01]

Ok I re-did the mobo bios install from EZ flash in the bios, and uninstalled old drivers using DDU, and now when installing the new driver it fails.

Graphics driver - failed
HD audio driver - not installed

As before there was no option to install physx which I thought was odd

 

[slim01]

But it did let me install the older drivers from June 2021

Still with exact same issues.

Someone else on the forums thinks both the pcie ports have been damaged in the yank to get the 3080ti out. Which would explain why I noticed these issues within minutes after putting the 3070ti in, installing newest drivers and playing.

 

[slim01]

Update for anyone interested...

The bios flashback has caused all kinds of issues... I'm starting to think this mobo is very screwed and ripping the 3080ti did damage.

So took me hours to get the bios rolled back (kept saying "file is not a bios file" or something (it was). Turns out I can only jump back like 2 steps in a bios backdate by the looks of it. I tried like 6 steps back, 5, 4, 3 then worked on 2.

After that, it wouldn't let me install gpu driver... Kept on failing.

Backdated bios a few more steps back, then on win login "it looks like something went wrong with your pin, click here to set another".
Except when I do that, type in my password then mobile no, I never get a text to reset it.

I turn the security boot thing in bios to uefi mode, same issue. Change it to "other os" which is was on before, same issue.

Reset windows... same issue, no pin, or text.

Currently using a laptop to DL the windows media creation... Hopefully can then install the gpu driver. If not, mobo or GPU = deffo screwed.