Cpu,ram and mobo burning situation?

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Hi,
what is the situation regarding motherboards, ram and CPUs buring up and inflating now. is it safe to buy an ASUS ( and other) boards now? are the bios updated sorted out to stop this occuring?
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Paul
 
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i think all are just as bad as each other arn't they?
looking at the following motherboards

Asus ROG Strix X670E-F
ROG STRIX X670E-E
MSI MPG X670E CARBON WIFI
Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master

Although the gigabyte seems very over priced compared to the rest for the features it offers.
 
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i think all are just as bad as each other arn't they?
looking at the following motherboards

Asus ROG Strix X670E-F
ROG STRIX X670E-E
MSI MPG X670E CARBON WIFI
Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master

Although the gigabyte seems very over priced compared to the rest for the features it offers.
Fair point just my opinion I prefer MSI motherboards but get a board that offers the features you need.
 
i think all are just as bad as each other arn't they?
looking at the following motherboards

Asus ROG Strix X670E-F
ROG STRIX X670E-E
MSI MPG X670E CARBON WIFI
Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master

Although the gigabyte seems very over priced compared to the rest for the features it offers.

Gigabyte used to have pretty good customer support, UK based so you don't get screwed with having to pay overseas postage (MSI is guilty of this) and in the case of Asus they might as well not have customer support at all.

That said I don't know if the same things stands for Gigabyte anymore, there used to be a customer rep that frequented these forums but I don't think they've been around for awhile.

MSI do make solid boards for the money (comparatively) though, Asrock is worth a look too and personally I'd trust them more than Asus.
 
i think all the boards would do, but the ROG STRIX X670E-E and MSI MPG X670E CARBON WIFI seem to be the front runners, they are roughly the same price and were both recommended in a roundup video i watched.
they are about £100 more than my orginal choice being the X670E-F. the gigabyte i just noticed is an E-ATX board which would be more awkward in the 011 Air Mini case. so that is ruled out i think. Motherboards are stupidly expensive now for a good mid range one. £500 for a board is nuts.

Does anyone have these boards and could recommended them or do you have and reasons to avoid them?
ROG STRIX X670E-E
MSI MPG X670E CARBON WIFI
 
Motherboards are stupidly expensive now for a good mid range one.

With AM5, B650 boards are very strong, often equivalent or superior to X570 in terms of features. For example: the B650 Tomahawk is under £200 and has 3x PCI-E 4.0 M.2 (2 from CPU), 6 SATA, WIFI 6E, ALC4080 with SPDIF and plenty of rear USB including 1 Type-C.

Does anyone have these boards and could recommended them or do you have and reasons to avoid them?
ROG STRIX X670E-E
MSI MPG X670E CARBON WIFI

Purely from the spec sheets, they look very similar. What are your "must have" features?
 
Yeah did my stepson build recently
I thought the b650 tomahawk wifi board
Was very good value for money
Assuming it has the features you need

As for the over voltage issue
The way asus behaved with here's a beta bios
To fix an over voltage issue we caused you to have
But using this beta will void your warranty
Has put a lot of people right off asus

But whichever board you get
Don't assume it will already have the soc voltage fixed bios
Boards take months from factory to consumer
You'll probably have to install the new safe voltage bios
Once you get the board
 
What are your "must have" features?
tbh i think all of these would do. But i'll tell you what i am looking for and the rest of my components so far then maybe you could help me decide which one is best for me?
what i need it for : 3D modeling, Unreal 5 work, Rendering, Gaming, Photo / video editing.

Work is the Number 1 priority so anything to help with that is a plus

Must haves :

Fastest specs for 3D modeling and game dev work,
At least PCIe 5.0 x16 ( that bandwidth isn't cut with a m.2 drive inserted)
Probably 2x M.2 gen 5 slots (for future upgrade),
SPDIF optical out,
ATX size

Specs so far :
CaseLian Li O11 Air Mini - Black
CPURyzen 9 7950X
RAM 64gbG.Skill Trident Z5 NEO 64GB 6000MHz CL30 DDR5 Memory - AMD Expo
GCardGigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming OC 24GB
PWR SupplyMSI MPG A1000G PCIE5 UK PSU 1000W 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
CPU coolerNH-U12A chromax.black
Motherboard?
HDD M2 2tbSamsung 990 Pro 2TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 4.0 x4 NVMe 1.3c Solid State Drive
 
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The only thing out of your must haves that needs a high-end board is PCI-E 5.0.

At least PCIe 5.0 x16 ( that bandwidth is cut with a m.2 drive)

It should not be cut with only one PCI-E 5.0 drive.

With Z790 it is, because neither the chipset or CPU has any PCI-E 5.0 M.2 lanes, but with AMD, even B650 can theoretically support a PCI-E 5.0 M.2 slot with no impact on GPU lanes.

With the B650E-E Strix, the second PCI-E 5.0 M.2 slot will eat 8 lanes when used, but the X670E-E Strix will only do this when you use all three PCI-E 5.0 M.2 slots.

If you want 2x PCI-E 5.0 M.2 slots with no impact on GPU, I'd imagine you'll need to go X670E.
 
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I'd imagine you'll need to go X670E
Think i'll start eating beans on toast for few weeks, prices are crazy mobos and GPUs. Sobs :(
Not a deal breaker i could consider going with one drive i guess. Can ASUS be trusted these days?

Thanks for your thoughts.
 
Not a deal breaker i could consider going with one drive i guess.

Personally, I think you'll be fine with one, because you could ensure that if your workload/flow benefits from the faster drive, that you're primarily loading that drive. If you got a board with 1 and a half (like the B650-E Strix, where it eats the GPU lanes), then you'd have to decide if the faster drive is worth the trade-off, but at least you'd have that option.

On the other hand, if you're buying a 7950X and 4090 with plans for long-term work usage, then the extra cost for more PCI-E 5.0 is small beans, relatively speaking.

Can ASUS be trusted these days?

is it safe to buy an ASUS (and other) boards now? are the bios updated sorted out to stop this occurring?

I don't know, but you're not buying an X3D, so my understanding is that you're not as vulnerable to the problem.
 
If by work
You mean you get income from it
Then yes I would spend more for the higher end board
Anything that helps you complete work faster
Pays for itself in the long run

As for trust asus
They haven't exactly done theirselves proud lately
But will people boycott them because of that?
Bit of a personal choice that one
Nearly every manufacturer will have some sort of issue
At some point in time
It's how they deal with that issue
Especially in todays social media society
Where information spreads so fast that should matter
 
PCI-E 5.0 is small beans, relatively speaking.
True, but those small beans can all add up. its my first build in 10 years so can afford a bit more but still want to stay within my budget and find a balance between getting what i want / need vs cost. ideally current prices would be sane in a ideal world and not insane like mobo's and GPU's are half my budget is taken up with the GPU its insane.
 
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True, but those small beans can all add up. its my first build in 10 years so can afford a bit more but still want to stay within my budget and find a balance between getting what i want / need. ideally current prices would be sane in a ideal world and not insane like mobo's and GPU's are half my budget is taken up with the GPU its insane.

In your circumstance, I think the question I'd be asking (before spending the extra £100-£200 to have the M.2 slots) is: "will a PCI-E 5.0 drive offer my work apps a utility/performance benefit that has the potential to save me an upgrade?".

I would, for most systems, answer that question with no, since the degree that they're bottlenecked by storage is so small that it's very rarely worthwhile. It's also unlikely that PCI-E 5.0 drives will be fast enough, soon enough, that they'll be cursing their board for PCI-E 4.0.

With your circumstances, that might be different, since SSDs can have an impact on usability of the system, e.g. streaming assets, responsiveness of viewports, frequent loading of large apps/projects, transferring large volumes to backup drives or from scratch disks.

You could also make an argument that you'll keep the money now and just upgrade the board if PCI-E 5.0 is necessary later, since you should be able to use an old CPU in a newer AM5 board, but with a workstation that's going to be more time consuming and awkward than a gaming PC.
 
I can add to what @Tetras has just said and I also have a background with 3D design... inventor/solidworks/3ds max etc

I have 2x gen 4 2TB nvme ssd's, with that magical up to 7,300 MB/s listed on the packet... how often do I see that in day to day life.... I don't, in fact I don't even see half that on a daily basis.
Now one of those 2TB nvme is actually in gen3 slot rather than gen4 slot so caps out around 3,500 MB/s.... even as a scratch disk I can't say I hit those speeds. I don't think I'd even pick a gen5 nvme due to the extra heat etc they seem to be producing.

Obviously SSD's have their pros in terms of access random files etc faster and that does make a huge difference, in fact I'll stand by the comment that swapping to ssd from hard drive was the biggest performance/productivity boost I've ever had. I did not however see that jump with nvme versus sata ssd's, yes the nvme can transfer faster but you will always be bottlenecked by the slowest drive/connection in the chain so you may never see it.

In all honesty in day to day use I'd struggle to tell the difference between a sata ssd and an nvme unless I need to transfer a file with multiple gigabytes of size.
 
Other things i read today was that ASUA ROG STRIX X670E-E has a slow boot up time? is this just ASUS or are all boads like this?
also about Armoury crate is in bedded in the motherboard and prompts you to install each time you boot? what?
 
Other things i read today was that ASUA ROG STRIX X670E-E has a slow boot up time? is this just ASUS or are all boads like this?

HUB tested load times in their B650 roundup and Gigabyte was the fastest (@ 18:00), but I'm not sure I'd buy based on this info, because AM5 bios is changing all the time.
 
Other things i read today was that ASUA ROG STRIX X670E-E has a slow boot up time? is this just ASUS or are all boads like this?
also about Armoury crate is in bedded in the motherboard and prompts you to install each time you boot? what?
If it helps I have a MSI x670e tomahawk and its been flawless for me no issues updated to the beta bios and been solid boot up time is also quick.
 
Other things i read today was that ASUA ROG STRIX X670E-E has a slow boot up time? is this just ASUS or are all boads like this?
also about Armoury crate is in bedded in the motherboard and prompts you to install each time you boot? what?
False, you can disable Armoury Crate ( BIOS setting iirc ).

The Asus B650E-E came out as top in the recent Hardware Unboxed B650 round up.

( and i have one that has been flawless since the release of the 7800X3d )
 
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