CPU tempatures high

[steveveg]

Hi
Could anybody give me some advise i have recenlty upgraded my processor from a intel celeron to a intel pentium 4 640 retail boxed with intel heatsink fan. I have a Packard Bell imedia 1307, ever since doing this i am experiencing high tempartures, i am using PC Wizard 2007 to monitor my system and when idling with 0-4% cpu usage it hovers around 54-57c, i assume this is quiet high as most peoples are around 40-47c. When i first installed it i got a thermal temparture error and my pc kept shutting down. I was advised that maybe i did not put the heatsink on properly and maybe the pins werent in right so i pushed really hard on the pins and one of the pins clicked into place. This got rid of the thermal temparture error message and my pc boots up fine now. Only problem is now the high tempartures whilst idling. After 2 weeks at runnning at these tempartures i was advised to apply some thermal compound so i used arcticsilver5 but still my tempartures are high, and i can assure you the pins are pushed in propely on the heatsink fan. Its a 2 year old pc that cost £350 so i certainly not going to through money at it i.e water cooling and all that business. Any help would be very much appreciated. I keep getting people saying its my case ventilation but may i point out i have done exactly the same has an other person with exactly the same Packard Bell pc and cpu upgrade and his idles at 45-49c. I have seen these on overclockers website does anybody think these would make a difference or is there an easier solution.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...=57&subcat=821

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...=57&subcat=821

Thanks, steveveg

 

[steveveg]

Hi Steveveg and welcome,

When you applied the artic sliver did you clean the of the old thermal paste properly? When reapplying the artic silver did you use a large amount or an amount say equivlent to a grain of rice?

If the latter, too much thermal compound will affect the temperature creating higher temps i would clean old thermal compound of again using Alcohol or if you have any TIM Clean fluid and cotton bud. Reapply artic silver in the middle size of a grain of rice, using a credit card for example spread the thermal compound evenly over IHS and remount stock fan. Monitor temps over the next 24hours using core temp for example or pc wizard 2007. If temperatures are still an issue then consider upgrading the cooler. Do you have enough air flow in the case?

Regarding the links in your post lead to overclockers main page, if a particular item repost links

Thanks CyZMyAssBaby i followed the instructions from arcticsilver website, yes i did apply a small ammount the size of a grain of rice but i applied it to the cpu and i did not spread it i just put the fan back on. Like i say i followed the instructions from the arcticsilver website, has for cleaning it i did not use alcohol i just used cotton buds but the surface of both the heatsink fan and cpu looked clean, may this be the problem. Has regarding airflow i am not sure like i say in my earlier post i followed the steps from somebody else with exactly the same pc system and they are having no problems, my chassis is here on this website.

http://support.packardbell.com/uk/item/index.php?i=spec_altissimo&ppn=PB13316901

 

[steveveg]

@ steveveg

The retail heatsink would have had a thermal pad on it...did you remove the thermal pad before applying the Arctic silver? I'm asking because rubbing the heatsink with a cotton bud will not remove the thermal pad. Btw I don't mean to imply anything but some peeps have done stranger things

Thanks for that but the heatsink did not have a thermal pad on it, it was a boxed retail Intel Pentium 4 640 inc. heatsink fan and already had its thermal solution applied?

 

[steveveg]

Does anybody recommend using the thermal pads instead of thermal solution its looks more straightforward and more viable to me?

Thanks, steveveg

 

[steveveg]

Hi Steveveg,

I would agree with Corasik post as described. If the heat issue is still of a concern, if i can suggest re-cleaning the IHS using this product
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=OA-001-AK&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=27

The general conclusion is all old thermal paste should be cleaned/ removed. Old deposits of thermal paste can leave a residue even not visable to the eye which can hinder heat transfer.


If you do decide to re clean for example using the above product the cotton bud method application allow to stand for approx 2 minutes and use bud to clean. Follow up using kitchen towel allow to stand for the fluid to evaporate. Reapply AS to cpu only and reseat fan mount.

Thanks CyZMyAssBaby sorry to be a donut but when you say IHF do you mean the intel heatsink fan
Thanks, steveveg

 

[steveveg]

P4's were pretty variable on their idle temperatures, some were hot, some were even hotter . It had major issues with current leakage which were never really resolved. The 6xx's were the best of the bunch, but still had these issues.

Whats more important is the load temperature, as the leakage increases idle temps, but has less impact on a fully loaded processor. So the difference between idle and load temps are often smaller on P4's that chips like Core2 Duo. Its not uncommon for P4's to reach high 70's on the retail heatsink, even with a well vented case. As long as your not in the 80's and the alarms arnt going off, I wouldnt worry about it too much. You may even have some overclocking potential. Just ignore the idle temps and look at your load temps instead.

Thanks Corasik my temps under load hover around the 60-70c i never noticed it go higher than 70, in bios it ranges between 60-63c, so you would say this would not cause any damage in the long run or should i go for a new cooler heatsink fan like this one
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-041-AK&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=821

Thanks, steveveg

 

[steveveg]

Thanks CyZMyAssBaby
If i were to go with that one would i need to change anything in bios, i think intel and the akasa automatically change settings in bios with this (PWM) Intel approved power management. These are the setting i have at the moment.

CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control [Auto]
Hyper Threading Function [Enabled]
Intel(R) SpeedStep(tm) Tech [Auto]

Hardware Monitor
CPU Q-Fan Control [Enable]
CPU Fan Ratio [Auto]
CPU Target Temperature [60degC] (lowest setting available)

Thanks, steveveg

 

[steveveg]

As you state Steveveg, you are correct. Both the Akasa &The artic pro 7 is pwm . No you wouldnt need to change the bios setting unless you wanted to set fan speed rpm maually via (CPU Fan Ratio). The above settings look fine.

Thanks CyZMyAssBaby i will give it a month or so but i am interested in the arctic cooler pro 7 though and i may purchase it, its got good reviews, hope this doesnt sound like a daft question but which way does the dam thing go in do i have the fan pointing to the back of my pc or the front, just to mention aswell i have no other case cooling. I have read that i will need some sort of exhaust fan to extract the hot air, is this correct or dont i need one. Thanks, steveveg