Crashing after sleep?

Zeebedy

Zeebedy

Zeebedy

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Hey guys,

I put my MM to sleep about an hour ago, came back to it and it had rebooted from a "crash" which I couldn't tell how to check what it was..

I have now updated from Sequoia 15.1 to 15.2..

Is there anything that could be causing this? Maybe my wired "gaming" keyboard or the Wireless mouse?
 
I stopped putting mine into sleep when it kept waking up the monitor sporadically, the general advice is not to put it into sleep, just shut it down.
 
nlel1975 said:
the general advice is not to put it into sleep, just shut it down.
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It's not Windows, Macs should sleep and recover very reliably. I've never heard anyone advise shutting down a Mac over sleeping it :confused:

@Zeebedy Time to start looking at the logs.
 
nlel1975 said:
With all due respect the guy who responded is Level 10 with 145,342 points
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And?

eshop.macsales.com

Should You Shut Down Your Mac or Let It Sleep Every Night?

One question that new Mac users often ask is whether they should shut down their Macs at the end of the day or just let them sleep. The quick answer is...
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to shut down or to sleep, what`s better? - Apple Community

discussions.apple.com discussions.apple.com

This one is a reply from a level 10 (whatever that means) with 147,288 points and his first comment is: "Shutting a Mac down routinely actually causes more trouble than it's worth. If you're not going to use it for several days, ok, but nightly is not a good idea."

Is it better to turn off iMac every night… - Apple Community

discussions.apple.com discussions.apple.com

I can't be arsed to go and find more.

I find it laughable to suggest that the general advice for Macs is not to use sleep, I really do, because it just works so well.
 
Feek said:
I find it laughable to suggest that the general advice for Macs is not to use sleep, I really do, because it just works so well.
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I’m not bothered anyway, sleep doesn’t work for me with my setup. I don’t mind shutting it down, when I turn it on it’s actually ready to login before the monitor has had the chance to come out of standby. I’m not missing much.
 
Like @Feek says, look at the logs. Good starting point is the 'Crash Reports' (open the 'Console' app), otherwise 'system.log' but you may have to just plough through the lot.
FYI - logs are under '/Library/Logs' (system space) or '~/Library/Logs' (user space).

Feek said:
It's not Windows, Macs should sleep and recover very reliably.
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Both platforms sleep fine until they don't :p Although arguably it's usually a driver/kext or hardware issue that causes most sleep problems (on both platforms).
 
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visibleman said:
Although arguably it's usually a driver/kext or hardware issue that causes most sleep problems (on both platforms).
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Yeah though I don't know about Macs but 9 times out of 10 it is a LAN or peripheral controller driver which isn't liking coming out of sleep.
 
Feek said:
And?

eshop.macsales.com

Should You Shut Down Your Mac or Let It Sleep Every Night?

One question that new Mac users often ask is whether they should shut down their Macs at the end of the day or just let them sleep. The quick answer is...
eshop.macsales.com eshop.macsales.com

to shut down or to sleep, what`s better? - Apple Community

discussions.apple.com discussions.apple.com

This one is a reply from a level 10 (whatever that means) with 147,288 points and his first comment is: "Shutting a Mac down routinely actually causes more trouble than it's worth. If you're not going to use it for several days, ok, but nightly is not a good idea."

Is it better to turn off iMac every night… - Apple Community

discussions.apple.com discussions.apple.com

I can't be arsed to go and find more.

I find it laughable to suggest that the general advice for Macs is not to use sleep, I really do, because it just works so well.
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For you maybe but the reddit post linked would indicate otherwise.. I have to say your passive-aggressive "I'm holier than thou" approach is wonderful to read but I guess as long as it works for "Feek" then that's concrete proof that standby indeed works!
 
Johnz0r said:
For you maybe but the reddit post linked would indicate otherwise..
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There may be an issue with the M4 Mac mini but I'm demonstrating that many more people say that sleep on macOS is far superior to standby (hibernate, whatever) on Windows.

Remember one of the posts linked above was quoted as gospel because it was made by someone who is level 10 with however many points and yet I easily found a post from someone with more points on the same support forums saying the opposite.

There's advice in here to help resolve the issue and I'm quite sure that if there is a specific problem with the MM M4 and sleep that isn't caused by a peripheral, that it'll be sorted.
 
If it works great use it, if it doesn’t don’t waste your time trying to resolve it, just shut it down each time instead. It is probably better to put it to sleep if you aren’t going to be using it for a few hours but if it doesn’t work then don’t lose sleep over it.
 
Well I bought a USB-C to DisplayPort cable and tried that to rule out the HDMI connection. Put it into sleep, after 15 minutes the keyboard lights came on, monitor woke up then went into standby and the keyboard lights stayed on.

After 50 minutes the keyboard lights went off, 15 minutes later the keyboard lights came on, monitor woke up then went into standby and the keyboard lights went off after a minute, 15 minutes later same thing happened, seemed to be stuck in doing this every 15 minutes.

Worse was to come however as when I eventually tried to wake it up it wouldn't and neither the USB keyboard or mouse would work, tried unplugging them and plugging them back in to no avail had to hold the power button down for 5 seconds to restart it.

Still the cable wasn't expensive and it frees up a HDMI port on my monitor, I had to try it just to see.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
Mine works, using the display port on my Caldigit though.

Keyboard is a USB mechanical and Apple mouse.
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Yeah I'm using an ASUS keyboard and Logitech mouse, might be some issue with using non Apple hardware. I'm not going to change them for the sake of getting sleep mode to work properly, it's not worth the hassle.
 
@Zeebedy - Have you had much luck trying to determine what caused/is causing the crash?

Johnz0r said:
...but I guess as long as it works for "Feek" then that's concrete proof that standby indeed works!
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It's similar to those brain dead "well mine works" type replies you get from a few forum users to someone genuinely asking for help; an absolute pointless response done in defense because someone said something remotely negative about their "precious" (*cough* Apple) device - get over it, it's a friggin computer (/phone/mouse/trackpad/keyboard), not the holy grail :cry:
 
visibleman said:
@Zeebedy - Have you had much luck trying to determine what caused/is causing the crash?


It's similar to those brain dead "well mine works" type replies you get from a few forum users to someone genuinely asking for help; an absolute pointless response done in defense because someone said something remotely negative about their "precious" (*cough* Apple) device - get over it, it's a friggin computer (/phone/mouse/trackpad/keyboard), not the holy grail :cry:
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Sorry mate, back to pc, so the mac is long gone so didn’t get time to diagnose it.

Good luck!!
 
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