Creatine

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Hi all,

Does/has anybody here taken creatine tablets? I always seem to here people down the gym talking about it, I had a friend that took them and he seemed to beef up quite abit but it's something I haven't really considered before.

I'm understanding that it can help you see results faster?

So anyway, anybody use/used it? Did it make any difference? Did you get any side effects? What did you take?
 
for me, it's in the shake I take.

When taking this shake, I've noticed my muscles getting a bit bigger. It's just bloating, the muscles absorb more water.

Some say it works others say it doesn't. It's supposed to removed lactic acid quicker, I think.

When I've used it, I haven't noticed a performance increase, but I have noticed my muscles get a little bigger.

When I stopped taking said shake, I noticed lactic acid build up much quicker, more so than before I took creatine at all.
 
Yeh i've heard that it gives a lot of water 'retention' and can reduce lactic acid. Does this mean when you stop taking it your muscle's will 'shrink'!
 
I just got lots of cramps and strains - possibly a result of not hydrating enough while taking it or possibly from trying to go too heavy because I beleived it was magical.

Unless everything else in your training is bang on I wouldn't bother.
 
Ive just started a cycle of 4-ad going to hit the gym big time for 4 weeks and according to friends and the local gym supply shop guys I will gain some good and noticeable size but I’ve being told you will lose a lot when you come off the cycle so have to take something else after can’t quite remember the name but anyway I take creatine and when you stop you lose some of your mass you put on, just got to keep cycling it and not take it constantly you have to let your body take a rest.

Now my diet is spot on so I’ve starting to see some huge gains just need a very good diet and hit the gym hard for supplements to show their stuff :)
 
I was at a workshop with the UK Strength and Conditioning Association yesterday. His advice is that supplements should only be used to supplement (hence the name!) good training practises (ie good nutrition, rest, exercise).

The upshot is that eating, sleeping and training properly will give you more benefit than not eating, sleeping and training properly then taking creatine.
 
Ive just started a cycle of 4-ad going to hit the gym big time for 4 weeks and according to friends and the local gym supply shop guys I will gain some good and noticeable size but I’ve being told you will lose a lot when you come off the cycle so have to take something else after can’t quite remember the name but anyway I take creatine and when you stop you lose some of your mass you put on, just got to keep cycling it and not take it constantly you have to let your body take a rest.

Now my diet is spot on so I’ve starting to see some huge gains just need a very good diet and hit the gym hard for supplements to show their stuff :)

You are aware that 4-ad is a prohormone and therefore you should run a PCT after your cycle?
Sorry if it sounds like im being a bit of a tart, but just thought I better check as loads of people think as long as you can buy it over the counter its fine
 
I took it for a bit and it plumped up the muscle but the muscle was soft compared to normal fit muscle. The build up was most likely due to water retention.

Since stopping it I have not noticed any difference in ability and the muscle has possibly stayed the same or maybe lost the bloating whilst still rebuilding so gave the impression of staying the same.

So for me the effects were minimal apart from an aesthetic plumping of muscles.

Some it works for, some it does not. Bear in mind that creatine is naturally occuring in meat so if you have a heavy meat diet the effects are likely to be minimal. If you are a vegetarian then you are more likely to see an improvement.

Negative symptoms are usually reported as stomach upset, cramps (lack of water consumed).

Creatine is widely considered one of the safest supplements after protein powder and has been used for a number of years in fitness circles.

It is also recommended to be on a rotational cycle two month 'on' period with a 'off' period of at least a month to allow the excess out of the body and to allow the body to maintain its natural function.

Creatine is pretty well documented on the 'net so have a google around for some more info.

RB
 
You are aware that 4-ad is a prohormone and therefore you should run a PCT after your cycle?
Sorry if it sounds like im being a bit of a tart, but just thought I better check as loads of people think as long as you can buy it over the counter its fine

That’s the name yep I’m fully away I had a good half hour speech off my best mate who works at the shop, I’ve simply just not purchased it before researching what goes through my liver.

It not the tables I have, you take it under your tongue then swallow.
 
That’s the name yep I’m fully away I had a good half hour speech off my best mate who works at the shop, I’ve simply just not purchased it before researching what goes through my liver.

It not the tables I have, you take it under your tongue then swallow.

Thats cool just thought id check :)
 
There's 2.5grams in each serving of the pump supplement I'm using. There's creatine already in foods too and in muscles.

You could try it but maybe there is something else worthwhile trying. Or spending the money on improving your diet if there's room for improvement?

The supplement discussion thread is a good read if you haven't already had a look :)

Bear in mind everybody is different, reacts to products differently and trains a different way. The fact some have been training longer than others is another factor to take into account. It's very subjective unfortunatley!
 
Creatine is fine- There is only one way to tell if it "works" for you, and that's to try it.

More importantly though Nige01010 haven't I read that you haven't been training long at all (<6 months springs to mind?). Surely you don't feel you have reached the best you can be naturally in such a short amount of time. If you really must go down that route why not do it properly and just get some test?http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/member.php?u=84698
 
I don't get much from it bar a bit of water retention and slight recovery/strength improvements, but not enough to warrant taking it. Doing AGVT or any high volume training regimens it can be helpful though.
 
I have never got anything from creatine except more fat on my belly - until I tried Gaspari SizeOn.

I definitely had a little strength gain from SizeOn and my workouts were more intense BUT I have to add this was the only the second time I ever really properly took creatine, i.e. my diet was nailed and I didn't have a drop of alcohol during the 4 weeks so its really hard to say. Wouldn't buy it at full price far though far too expensive.
 
Gains from Creatine are partly owing to an increase in cell volume and also muscle synthesis. Creatine causes water to move across cell membranes. When muscle cell creatine concentrations go up water is drawn into the cell (hence the term water rentention.). It can boost thickness around 15%. The water stretches the cell's outer sheaths - a mechanical force that can trigger anabolic reactions. This may stimulate protein synthesis which results in increase lean tissue.

HOwever when they ran experiments some people gained more muscle mass than those on a placebo however both ended up with the same body water content - which is interesting.

Creatine may hekp to increase performance, strength and muscle mass, but around 20% of people show very little gains from it. Some say this is owing to the differences in muscle fibre types - fast-twitch tend to build up higher concentrations of creatine than slow-twitch, so people with naturally low fast-twitch fibre composition may experience smaller gains from creatine. Taking creatine with carbs may help you round this as carbs raise insulin (as I';m sure you all know) which in turn helps creatine's uptake in the muscle cells.

The best way to take creatine is in small doses at a time (else around 2/3rds of it ends up being peed away). Too many people take too much in one go and in a day and ends up being expensive and a waste of time. Typically most instructions say 20-25g daily - which frankly is a waste of time. Lowering your dose to about 6g a day spread over 6 meals is actually more beneficial as it gives your body most chance of absorbing it - and of course it's better ot have it with food.

The only side effects bar water retention that I've heard of or have been able to find is gastro intestical discomfort, muscle cramps and dehydration - of course kidney and muscle damage are potentials if you take it in excess. If you want to take creatine, creatine monohydrate is just as good as the others, and there is no evidence to suggest that any others are any better/worse.

So as I said if you're taking creatine, take smaller doses over a couple of months then take a month off - it's best cycled. It takes about 4 weeks for your elevated creatine stores to drop off to normal levels. During supplementation your body's own synthesis of creatine is depressed but this comes back around after a week or so. There is anecdotal evidence that some weight and strength loss will occur though it should be above your pre-sup levels.

So take it with or after eating certainly after some carbs (min of 30g of carbs), take it in small doses 6x a day and there's no need to take more than 10g a day, you'll be wasting your money, and taking it post exercises with your post workout meal is also ideal.

So it's a bit of a faff really having to take it so regularly and in small doses, which is why people don't buy the powder form and buy the pill form and only take it once or twice a day - complete waste of time and money.

Is it worth it? If you do the protocol correctly, than yes I guess it can be, but for the small gains (1-3% LBM during the loading phase, with a 75% decrease on unload until your body recovers it's own synthesis) is debatable. Don't get me wrong, it works if done properly, there's enough proof out there, it's just on how well you do it. :)
 
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