CRT 22" v's TFT

HangTime · 17 Jul 2006 at 23:39

That is understandable though, because of TFT's size/weight they are much more attractive to retailers due to storage/transport costs. I bought a 17" TFT for my dad last year and it literally turned up flatpacked with one of those plastic handle things at the top, it was like a briefcase.

I'm a diehard CRT fan, but I can understand why the industry has gone down the route it has. Most people are happy buying TFTs, especially as their sleeker design is more appealing to the ever-increasing number of 'casual' PC users.

What I'd like to see would be a world class 22" CRT with a 144khz+ horizontal frequency and 0.2 dp or below, priced under £350 inc VAT and delivery. I had to downgrade from a 19" to a 17" last year and am itching for the 'perfect' CRT to upgrade to, if the price is right

Shane5578 · 18 Jul 2006 at 00:10

i've seen gg clan gamers use tfts.

cmon those reactions times on tfts isnt gonna matter. lol just because your on a CRT doesnt mean you get an advantage.

its like saying that wearing your lucky unwashed undies will help you win games!

did you know crts were suppose to become obsolete in the 1980s!

only paupers use crts

BubbySoup · 18 Jul 2006 at 00:15

Energize said:
Crts these days can handle 100hz at least that fixes issues with headaches. Tft monitors also give off radiation.

I have a CRT in work that runs at 120hz, but if I work a long day, say 10 hours, my eyes feel the strain. I've done 12+ hours on a TFT and not had the same problem.

Energize · 18 Jul 2006 at 00:42

Shane5578 said:
did you know crts were suppose to become obsolete in the 1980s!

I don't know where you got that from but they didn't become obselete though did they? Why? Because there hasn't been anything good enough to completley replace them.

Shane5578 said:
only paupers use crts

Lol tell that to the professional studios and gamers with £xxxx systems that use them. :rolleyes:

Thats the most ridiculous comment I've read and completley untrue.

Efour · 18 Jul 2006 at 01:17

I have an Eizo F77s 21" CRT and ive yet to find a TFT that can compare to it thats not rediculously priced.

it does 100hz at 1280x 960 easy peasy and even 60hz at 2048x1600 but my poor 7800GTX really struggles that high and my eyes start to get crossed.

Im going to cry the day it blows up i doubt ill get another display thats served me aswell as this one other the past years.

/hugs monitor.

fish99 · 18 Jul 2006 at 11:49

Shane5578 said:
i've seen gg clan gamers use tfts.

cmon those reactions times on tfts isnt gonna matter. lol just because your on a CRT doesnt mean you get an advantage.

its like saying that wearing your lucky unwashed undies will help you win games!

did you know crts were suppose to become obsolete in the 1980s!

only paupers use crts

Well I've never played an online game competetively, but surely if your game is running 250 fps or 120 fps instead of 60 fps that's got to give you an advantage, however small. When you're talking about the top guys, they probably have phenomenal reactions.

On a TFT it will never give you more than 60 unique frames in a second, no matter what framerate the game might be running or what refresh rate you set it to. A good CRT can display 120-250 real full frames per second if you have the PC to keep up. Then there's ghosting.

Even for casual gamers like myself, you still get a smoother overall feel on a CRT, you get less tearing, you get a much deeper black colour in case you fancy playing with the lights out, you get perfect viewing angles, you get complete control over what resolution you're running without having to compromise image quality when running lower resolutions. So you see there are some advantages to using a CRT.

Not saying either is better (I use an LCD myself), it just depends on your particular priorities which will be better. Everyone is different (and allowed to be) right?

Cuchulain · 18 Jul 2006 at 11:51

gadget^ said:
currently i have the iiyama 22" 514pro crt being a gaming fan and nvr used a tft, should i take the plunge ?

budget no more than say £600.00 ish mk

Absolutely! I have the 22" 513 Pro but my Belinea widescreen tft blows it away and for 600 notes you could get something far better than I use.

Daytrader · 21 Jul 2006 at 00:03

yeh crt tubes still rule easily, i have a few friends that bought £1,000+ lcd/tft screens all sent back, i have also seen top screens and they dont compare even to my mitsu diamond plus 91 crt, im very piccy thou when it comes to quality for gameing.

Hades · 21 Jul 2006 at 00:30

I used to play fps games a hell of a lot: mostly quake3 including some leagues (not that I was anywhere near the best though

). When I had the time I was on it for about 4 hours every night. I loved it. I never could get on with any of the wireless mice because, despite everyone else saying otherwise, I could definitely feel lag. Maybe I'm more sensitive than most as I can immediately tell the difference between a 50hz TV and a 100hz one - so much that I can't stand watching a 50hz model.

A while back I moved from my beloved Sony F520 Pro 21" to a Viewsonic VX912 and was extremely happy. But on occasions I'd try the CRT again and it was so obvious that the lag and ghosting on the TFT was affecting my play. Although there are faster and better TFT's now, it was billed as the best gaming TFT of it's time.

I don't play games much now and occasionally enjoy a blast. So I've very happy with the TFT. The CRT now is not very practical for me. But I still refuse to sell the F520 because it was, in my opinion, one of the very best CRT's (.21 dot pitch, ludicrously high refresh rates, extremely vibrant colours, excellent geometry, etc). I think I'll drag it back out at the weekend and try it again

While I continue to use my TFT and the CRT is effectively mothballed, there is absolutely no question in my mind that for dedicated gamers a good CRT easily beats a good TFT.

Energize · 21 Jul 2006 at 00:55

Perhaps you were using a bluetooth or ir mouse? They all use rf nowadays, switching to a wireless mouse definatley improved my play.

Daytrader · 21 Jul 2006 at 12:43

are you the hades that played for OG if so hi m8, i still play q3 well i mean cctf and 3wave, we have just put 2 cctf servers backup

last time i spoke to you i think u had just got a audio TT and you mates with melks ?

devilkazuya · 21 Jul 2006 at 19:58

Shane5578 said:
i've seen gg clan gamers use tfts.

cmon those reactions times on tfts isnt gonna matter. lol just because your on a CRT doesnt mean you get an advantage.

its like saying that wearing your lucky unwashed undies will help you win games!

did you know crts were suppose to become obsolete in the 1980s!

only paupers use crts

you really are ignorant

Daytrader · 21 Jul 2006 at 20:10

Shane5578 said:
i've seen gg clan gamers use tfts.

cmon those reactions times on tfts isnt gonna matter. lol just because your on a CRT doesnt mean you get an advantage.

its like saying that wearing your lucky unwashed undies will help you win games!

did you know crts were suppose to become obsolete in the 1980s!

only paupers use crts

if you are a serious gamer u will notice difference easily, also its just not about the reactions times but the texture lag also, if your playing Minesweeper or Solitaire tft are fine

Hades · 21 Jul 2006 at 22:53

Daytrader said:
are you the hades that played for OG if so hi m8, i still play q3 well i mean cctf and 3wave, we have just put 2 cctf servers backup last time i spoke to you i think u had just got a audio TT and you mates with melks ?

Hey hi there m8. Yep that's me. oG[Hades] and Rv[Hades]. The TT went quite a while back as I had a daughter and needed a more practical car (back to a Golf V6 now - not as much fun but still quick-ish and a couple more doors

). She's 2.5 yrs now and I have another on the way, due September. Still mates with Melks. We've known each other since we were kids and now work together. In fact he joined my team last year so we literally sit a few desks away from each other. He's got mumps right now though (nasty).

Holy carp, I can't believe CCTF is still running? I thought that died ages ago? I'll try to pop in. Funny enough I dropped into the oG and Rv channels a couple of days ago and everyone was asleep (well it was about 2am!).

EDIT: hmmmz, no Q3 installed now, no idea where the CD is. In fact not even got ASE installed. /me goes to look for them.

Daytrader · 21 Jul 2006 at 23:00

Hades said:
Hey hi there m8. Yep that's me. oG[Hades] and Rv[Hades]. The TT went quite a while back as I had a daughter and needed a more practical car (back to a Golf V6 now - not as much fun but still quick-ish and a couple of more doors ). She's 2.5 yrs now and I have another on the way, due September. Still mates with Melks. We've known each other since we were kids and now work together. In fact he joined my team last year so we literally sit a few desks away from each other. He's got mumps right now though (nasty).

omg I can't believe CCTF is still running? I thought that died ages ago? I'll try to pop in. Funny enough I dropped into the oG and Rv channels a couple of days ago and everyone was asleep (well it was about 2am!).

yeh only times i have seen u pop in #og u r drunk hehe, yeh most tried quake4 and gone back to q3, "joined my team" that means he joined your place you work correct ?, yeh were doing cctf cup again hopefully for xmas like we just done last xmas were also waiting for enemyterritory quake wars im in #roguewarriors for 3wave and cctf, ok speak soon m8

small world aint it out of all the forums in this world, but this is good community, and great info site.

Hades · 21 Jul 2006 at 23:14

Daytrader said:
yeh only times i have seen u pop in #og u r drunk hehe, yeh most tried quake4 and gone back to q3, "joined my team" that means he joined your place you work correct ?, yeh were doing cctf cup again hopefully for xmas like we just done last xmas were also waiting for enemyterritory quake wars im in #roguewarriors for 3wave and cctf, ok speak soon m8 small world aint it out of all the forums in this world, but this is good community, and great info site.

Just installed ASE but can't see any low ping CCTF servers so I'm assuming they aren't the ones you're talking about.

Yep I mean work team.

I'll try to catch up with you on IRC although I can't drop into all the OG channels nowadays (only the public one) - I hadn't used it in such a long time that my old account was zapped

EDIT: Oh and guess what? I'm sitting here with a can of beer in my hand so I'm semi-drunk already. But then again it is my birthday today

raf · 22 Jul 2006 at 23:42

I recently bought one of the Viewsonic 2ms TFTs and while the IQ seems superior I just can't get used to gaming at 1280x1024 as I only really play WoW currently and have been playing it since launch at 1600x1200 @100Hz on my CRT.
The eyestrain thing is definitely a real issue as after a good few hours on the CRT you start to feel it where I never did during the few days I used the TFT.
The TFT takes up a hell of a lot less space, makes my room look nicer and is something I definitely prefer for everything apart from WoW (including any games I might play at 1280x1024).
Just a shame things seem to look so grainy especially at distance when dropping to 1280 in WoW so for that reason I'm using the CRT again for the moment while the TFT sits in the wardrobe

.

gadget^ · 23 Aug 2006 at 15:18

raf said:
I'm using the CRT again for the moment while the TFT sits in the wardrobe .

well thats sealed it for me stay with the CRT untill it blows-up then cry

fobose · 23 Aug 2006 at 16:53

2 x Dell 2007WFP....£623.75, Dual monitor stand....£75, Widescreen gaming....Priceless.

Energize · 23 Aug 2006 at 19:38

fobose said:
2 x Dell 2007WFP....£623.75, Dual monitor stand....£75, Widescreen gaming....Priceless.

Playing on 2 monitors isn't really widescreen though because the image is strectched across both, you don't get to see any more than 1 monitor and the picture is distorted.