CS:S.... cheating and steam bans

Final8y · 8 Aug 2007 at 12:51

I see this wanting to kick in many games where there is a high count of young players with access to kick votes.
I see every round in BF2124 kick votes for players who are good.

afraser2k · 8 Aug 2007 at 12:57

Zap said:
i was under the impression that cheating was not a big problem in cs:s anymore since vac2?

It comes and goes. At the moment I've noticed a rise in cheating again though I don't know if that's just due to the schools being on summer holiday or not. Fortunately I only play on well-admined servers (UKCS) now so most of the cheaters get banned reasonably quickly.

siclilmonkey · 8 Aug 2007 at 13:28

I almost guarantee you will not bump into a cheater on css, i have seen two in my entire years of playing that game and even then, it will be those at the highest level feeling the pressure. There are NO cheaters on publics, especially these days.

lol i totaly dissagree with that

i have seen many cheaters in the past couple of weeks they are there and are always going to be there

the vac system is good but not good enough

if you use other anti-cheat systems with vac the servers become much more secure (zblock, steambans ect)

for a list of haX0rs check this database

http://www.pro-hl.com/cgi-bin/player_db.cgi?yes

all these are banned from the www.pro-hl.com servers also the list is updated as often as posable.

Shicky · 8 Aug 2007 at 14:16

Thats complete rubbish like, how have i avoided these thousands of cheaters then? People just extremely over react to one event they see without any context or backup. For example someone dies and is looking through cameras, they see one guy pop a corner and hs him straight away, many times i've seen 'OMFG CHEAT' yet people dont realise there are a huge number of ways he could know where he is.

I've been kicked and banned a number of times and have demos analysed, the only people i trust are those that have played at the top level themselves, only they know what is probable or not. Too many times i've seen those who fair enough may have played for a few years but just dont know what can be pulled off.

No one considers other factors, its automatically ravings of CHEAT

Tombo · 8 Aug 2007 at 14:30

Zefan said:
You won't lose your account.

I used to get called a hacker all the time and unless they actually have proper evidence/a demo of you hacking then Valve don't do anything. Quite right too.

Don't know if anyone mentioned this before but Valve will not ban anyone from a demo that someone sent to them, even if the sent a lot of 'evidence' with it. They rely solely on VAC for cheating related incidents.

Moses99p said:
VAC is rubbish, it doesn't detect the hacks you pay for, MSX etc.

Ever think that's because they don't have access to them and or they are constantly updated?

Washout · 8 Aug 2007 at 14:43

My brother gets this all the time. Incredibly frustrating to be wrongly labelled a cheat and kicked before you can even shoot off a smart arse reply to the 12 year old (mental age) admin on a power trip.

Frosti · 8 Aug 2007 at 14:51

Shicky said:
Thats complete rubbish like, how have i avoided these thousands of cheaters then? People just extremely over react to one event they see without any context or backup. For example someone dies and is looking through cameras, they see one guy pop a corner and hs him straight away, many times i've seen 'OMFG CHEAT' yet people dont realise there are a huge number of ways he could know where he is.

I've been kicked and banned a number of times and have demos analysed, the only people i trust are those that have played at the top level themselves, only they know what is probable or not. Too many times i've seen those who fair enough may have played for a few years but just dont know what can be pulled off.

No one considers other factors, its automatically ravings of CHEAT

So how do you explain, people with speed hacks running from one spawn to the other in 5 seconds and wiping out the other team in a flurry of headshots? I've seen this twice in the last week after not playing css for a while. You've either been on incredibly well admined servers, incredibly lucky or you have no idea what someone hacking looks like.

Edit: What team were you with btw?

Shadez · 8 Aug 2007 at 14:51

Shicky said:
Thats complete rubbish like, how have i avoided these thousands of cheaters then? People just extremely over react to one event they see without any context or backup. For example someone dies and is looking through cameras, they see one guy pop a corner and hs him straight away, many times i've seen 'OMFG CHEAT' yet people dont realise there are a huge number of ways he could know where he is.

I've been kicked and banned a number of times and have demos analysed, the only people i trust are those that have played at the top level themselves, only they know what is probable or not. Too many times i've seen those who fair enough may have played for a few years but just dont know what can be pulled off.

No one considers other factors, its automatically ravings of CHEAT

I dont automatically call people a cheat it takes a lot before i call someone that, im a vetran player and know whats possible what flukey and whats suspect.

Just being suspect doesnt make you a cheater but it does make you worth watching for awile to make sure, If you arnt cheating its normaly obviouse within a few min.

Obviouse cheats aside, The last person i called a cheating proved my suspitions several days laiter when i demoed him using a wall hack to shoot me through a door.

i would say on average i come across 1 easily spotted cheat a month and suspect players ever other session.

Bones · 8 Aug 2007 at 14:52

there are still cheats about, and there always will be and its not difficult to spot a cheat when a round is over in 10 seconds and all kills are with one person, and your watching them Wizz round at 100mph banging headshot after headshot.

Anyone with even a smidgen of skill will get accused of cheating on a public. Just find a nice skill level server with good admins and make yourself a regular.

afraser2k · 8 Aug 2007 at 15:00

Shicky said:
Thats complete rubbish like, how have i avoided these thousands of cheaters then? People just extremely over react to one event they see without any context or backup. For example someone dies and is looking through cameras, they see one guy pop a corner and hs him straight away, many times i've seen 'OMFG CHEAT' yet people dont realise there are a huge number of ways he could know where he is.

I've been kicked and banned a number of times and have demos analysed, the only people i trust are those that have played at the top level themselves, only they know what is probable or not. Too many times i've seen those who fair enough may have played for a few years but just dont know what can be pulled off.

No one considers other factors, its automatically ravings of CHEAT

It's pretty easy to tell if someone is using a wallhack/aimbot or if they're just skilled players (e.g. using sound from decent headphones). One of the main accusation points I see recently is when someone is flashed yet still get a kill because they spray at a location that is common for someone to rush from.

There are plenty of players who use the cheat accusations against good players as they're bad losers or don't know about certain "tricks" in the game. However, I have seen plenty of aimbots and wallhack users to know that it is more common in CSS than what you've experienced.

Shadez · 8 Aug 2007 at 15:17

Ive been called a cheat before for doing blind hs, normaly ive seen the player before being blined and just move my mouse where he was.

But moaning about cheats asside i have some very nice memories of pwning cheats, there is nothing like knifing a speed hacker or getting a hs in before a aimbotter fires. Do that 5 rounds in a row and they run away and find annother server. Ive also had people say i was cheating because they are and im doing better than them.

Psypher5 · 8 Aug 2007 at 15:40

Find a nice server, be a regular, be friendly.

Problem sorted

Uhtred · 8 Aug 2007 at 15:47

there is a delay in vac2 from when a cheat is detected to when a person is banned. This is so cheaters don't always know if their hack has been detected or not. It's a good way of catching lots of cheaters and staying ahead of the writers of hacks but does allow cheats to play for an undisclosed amount of time

div0 · 8 Aug 2007 at 16:19

Shimmy said:
I wouldn't worry about getting banned, valve have got it wrong a few times. But there is a successful appeal system to over turn bad admin decisions.

As someone else has said. Valve only ban people if VAC detects a cheat running on their system. I think I've only ever heard of 1 case where Valve have overturned a VAC ban. And that was years ago, when I believe VAC accidentally recognised an innocuous program as a cheat and banned a whole bunch of people, before unbanning them.

Valve will not get involved in any other kind of bans. If some kid with admin bans you from a public server, Valve couldn't care less.

Demo's and any other forms of 'evidence' don't interest Valve in the slightest. They haven't got time to look through every accusation, and they haven't got time for an appeals process. If VAC detects a cheat on your system, then as far as Valve are concerned, you were cheating and your ban will stand. At least that's how it used to be. Having not played CS:S much recently, then VAC2 may be slightly different, but I kinda doubt it.

Muffin` · 8 Aug 2007 at 16:20

Just because people are cheating dosn't eaqual 5:1 K/D ratio. I've banned so many people at the bottom of the server who had pretty poor cfg's. Or if its a Reg, slap them till they stop

Neoni · 8 Aug 2007 at 16:27

[DW]Muffin said:
Just because people are cheating dosn't eaqual 5:1 K/D ratio. I've banned so many people at the bottom of the server who had pretty poor cfg's. Or if its a Reg, slap them till they stop

a lot of it is user configs, rate hacks, are the worst. evar.

Logic Zero · 8 Aug 2007 at 16:36

I am an experianced FPS player, I play competitive CSS, I get called a hacker pretty much on 25% of the servers im on. However, it's not as bad as another player on our team who is one of belgiums finest CSS players, he gets called a hacker on almost every server lol

I have admin'd many servers, I can tell straight away whether someone is hacking on not, most of the time you can tell simply by the way they buy guns/move/aim/where they look/how they shoot.

EDIT: Yeh I agree, low rating is such a tard way of getting away with being shot at...repeatedly....to the head. :rolleyes:

Neoni · 8 Aug 2007 at 16:48

Logic Zero said:
I am an experianced FPS player, I play competitive CSS, I get called a hacker pretty much on 25% of the servers im on. However, it's not as bad as another player on our team who is one of belgiums finest CSS players, he gets called a hacker on almost every server lol

I have admin'd many servers, I can tell straight away whether someone is hacking on not, most of the time you can tell simply by the way they buy guns/move/aim/where they look/how they shoot.

EDIT: Yeh I agree, low rating is such a tard way of getting away with being shot at...repeatedly....to the head.

Good for you, competitive such as what? CPL?

bailey12856 · 8 Aug 2007 at 17:44

Logic Zero said:
I am an experianced FPS player, I play competitive CSS, I get called a hacker pretty much on 25% of the servers im on. However, it's not as bad as another player on our team who is one of belgiums finest CSS players, he gets called a hacker on almost every server lol

I have admin'd many servers, I can tell straight away whether someone is hacking on not, most of the time you can tell simply by the way they buy guns/move/aim/where they look/how they shoot.

EDIT: Yeh I agree, low rating is such a tard way of getting away with being shot at...repeatedly....to the head.

what team you in mate? just out of interest also heading to i31?

Logic Zero · 8 Aug 2007 at 19:00

I play for Guru3D.com. We started around 2 years back and we focus on fun over actual serious play simply because it's too stressful/time consuming and wouldn't work. I was thinking of going to i31, really wanted to go but I can't bring my pc cuz it's too damn big, and the gtx i just put in it took away all my funds

A guy from our team is planning to come down from up north and we will be doing next years multiplay lan, so hopefully see some of you there!

Good for you, competitive such as what? CPL?

I'm afraid i'm not CPL standard by any means, however I have had 2 years of CAL-IM experiance and play CAL-O with my team atm. Never done TWL, but next year I might be doing 3v3 pistols ladder, should be pretty easy as TWL is renowned for bad players