Current cards grouped by target resolution

q974739 · 12 Feb 2022 at 18:57

Evening all. In a number of threads I've seen a number of comments like "6500 is a 1080p card". What cards would people say are "correct" for what target resolutions?

Question arises because I'm probably going to have to buy a new screen(s) Shortly (new job, old will want it's screens back), and this will force me to upgrade my graphics.... and I'm trying to get an idea of price-for-resolution. Which combines graphics and screen, but I'm out the loop on graphics. Current config 2060 @1920x1200(?).

Alan McFall · 12 Feb 2022 at 20:59

It depends on the quality settings and target frame rates. e.g 1080p / Ultra / 60fps is not possible on 6500XT for most new titles.

HangTime · 12 Feb 2022 at 21:00

Lines are a bit blurred here because people have differing views about framerates, AA, DLSS/FSR etc.

The way I would go about this is start by deciding what monitor you want, best value you right now are 27" 1440p 165hz screens at around £180.
You then say OK what gpu do I need to run 1440p, something like a RTX3070/6700XT or better fits the bill.

q974739 · 12 Feb 2022 at 21:16

Drat. I was hoping that it would fit more into a few logical groups of cards... APU, 1080p, 1440p etc - then I could just work out what monitor/card combos looked at in price terms.

HangTime said:
The way I would go about this is start by deciding what monitor you want, best value you right now are 27" 1440p 165hz screens at around £180.
You then say OK what gpu do I need to run 1440p, something like a RTX3070/6700XT or better fits the bill.

My problem is I don't actually want to change anything. I *have to*, because the screens are going back. In terms of value then - where would you put the break points for screens - you say that the 27" 1440p are good around £180, but are there any other optimal value points?

Alan McFall said:
It depends on the quality settings and target frame rates. e.g 1080p / Ultra / 60fps is not possible on 6500XT for most new titles.

My quality target is "I turn on all the pretty for the game" - on the flip side, I have a mile long backlog of games and only buy when things are cheap. Not got around to fallout 4 yet...

HangTime · 12 Feb 2022 at 21:31

No that's the best value point in my opinion. The point is you can pay less and get a significantly worse screen, or you can pay a lot more for a slightly better screen.
But essentially, I don't see the point in buying a 1080p screen when 1440p is under £200 (with the exception of 360hz+ monitors for esports players), and I also don't like the price point of 4k monitors that have decent refresh rate.

Alan McFall · 12 Feb 2022 at 21:46

HangTime said:
No that's the best value point in my opinion. The point is you can pay less and get a significantly worse screen, or you can pay a lot more for a slightly better screen.
But essentially, I don't see the point in buying a 1080p screen when 1440p is under £200 (with the exception of 360hz+ monitors for esports players), and I also don't like the price point of 4k monitors that have decent refresh rate.

1080p is cheaper, I was thinking about 1440p but not willing to pay for a 3080. I'd rather sit a bit closer :cry:

HangTime · 12 Feb 2022 at 23:19

The problem with 1080p is you might upgrade gfx card in future and then end up wanting to replace the monitor anyway. DLSS/FSR and associated scaling techniques make higher resolutions more attainable these days.

Sitting closer is the opposite of what you need to do if getting a lower resolution screen - the closer you sit, the more you benefit from higher resolution.

Alan McFall · 12 Feb 2022 at 23:44

HangTime said:
The problem with 1080p is you might upgrade gfx card in future and then end up wanting to replace the monitor anyway. DLSS/FSR and associated scaling techniques make higher resolutions more attainable these days.

But once you've bought a 1440p monitor you're committed )downscaling sucks from what i've heard), my current GPU only just does 1080p 60 with full RT (still needs DLSS for a smooth experience), wouldn't have a chance at 1440p on the games I upgraded to play. Maybe if RTX4000/RX7000 are as powerful as rumoured and the price stays sane i'll make the jump.

HangTime said:
Sitting closer is the opposite of what you need to do if getting a lower resolution screen - the closer you sit, the more you benefit from higher resolution.

I know, I was only messing

HangTime · 13 Feb 2022 at 01:35

Downscaling is definitely a last resort for sure, but part of the problem is people tend to downscale to inappropriate resolutions. From 1440p, if downscaling I'd always go for 720p as that will give a nice 4:1 pixel ratio so it should just be a case of displaying 2x2 pixels for every 1 output by the GPU. Something like 1080p on a 1440p screen doesn't make sense to me because it doesn't have an integer ratio, so the image is bound to get distorted slightly.

arc@css · 13 Feb 2022 at 01:36

I'd also go a 27" 1440p 144hz (or greater) screen.

As for the card, seeing as you like to turn up the eye candy, I'd opt for no lower than a 6600XT but ideally, aim for the 3060Ti/6700XT or up to the 6800.

q974739 · 13 Feb 2022 at 18:16

Noted. Thanks all for your opinions

CuriousTomCat · 13 Feb 2022 at 18:26

It depends how old the games are. I never buy new games when they're buggy and should be still in beta. I wait a few years until they're finished with patches and new features. Then I buy them for a fraction of the cost. I'll be playing today's games at 1440p max settings on a budget 1080p card in a few years.

The 1080p, 1440p, and 4k categories only apply to new games.

A 1080p card can play older games at 1440p and even older games at 4k.

Tetras · 13 Feb 2022 at 19:44

q974739 said:
Evening all. In a number of threads I've seen a number of comments like "6500 is a 1080p card". What cards would people say are "correct" for what target resolutions?

Question arises because I'm probably going to have to buy a new screen(s) Shortly (new job, old will want it's screens back), and this will force me to upgrade my graphics.... and I'm trying to get an idea of price-for-resolution. Which combines graphics and screen, but I'm out the loop on graphics. Current config 2060 @1920x1200(?).

They've been described like this for awhile, but the 6500 (and actually the 6600 too) are more resolution specific than previous graphics cards like the RX 570/580, or even the RX 5000, because of the cut down bus and limited VRAM.

The RX 6600 / 6600 XT, for example, is very fast at 1080p, it can even keep up with the tier above, but it is often slower than competing cards at 4K.

AMD consider the RX 6500 and RX 6600 as 1080p cards, but truthfully the 6500 is more like a 720p card, since only the 6600 can maintain max details in newer games.

The RX 6700 is meant for 1440p, the RX 6800 is 1440p/4K and the 6800 XT and 6900 are 4K.

NVIDIA: they are less sensitive than AMD, due to their architecture, but roughly: GTX 1650 (1080p low/med), 1660 (1080p high), RTX 3050 and 2060 (1080p high + rays), 3060 and 2070 (1080p ultra/1440p med), 3060 Ti (1440p high) and 3070, 3080 and 3090 (4K).

Those are assuming newer games. I expect them all to drop a tier in a few years.

Impy77 · 13 Feb 2022 at 20:12

Tetras said:
AMD consider the RX 6500 and RX 6600 as 1080p cards, but truthfully the 6500 is more like a 720p card, since only the 6600 can maintain max details in newer games.
Those are assuming newer games. I expect them all to drop a tier in a few years.

Basically as above ..

The RX6600 is very good 1080p experience at high and ultra in modern stuff - was impressed by the uplift I saw. 8Gb of VRAM was basically the minimum from 3-4years ago and I can't imagine buying a 4gb card new now and then feeling disappointed to only use medium settings.
Personal experience: I have RX6800 from release day (£600) and play at mixture of high/ultra in 2560x1080 ultrawide, but because I like 120+ fps. 1080p ultrawide works fine with my 44 year old eyes (having tried a 1440p panel I preferred lower res higher frames)
Recently got kids an RX6600 each for an 1920x1080 upgrade from rx580's and now they can play at high/ultra with nice high frame rates. In esports games its even better. I really would avoid a 6500/3050 card if I'm honest.

q974739 · 13 Feb 2022 at 22:50

Impy77 said:
with my 44 year old eyes (having tried a 1440p panel I preferred lower res higher frames)
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Could you go into that a little more? I'm also not young, and would appreciate your thoughts on why 1080 was better.

Miganto · 13 Feb 2022 at 23:57

q974739 said:
Could you go into that a little more? I'm also not young, and would appreciate your thoughts on why 1080 was better.

for the same size screen, 1080p has larger pixels than 1440p and things like text are scaled to pixels, so everything is a bit bigger on 1080p.

Wucked · 14 Feb 2022 at 00:01

A better question is:
Current pricing grouped by target resolution

q974739 · 14 Feb 2022 at 06:54

Wucked said:
A better question is:
Current pricing grouped by target resolution

Agreed, that's a better question. Want to answer it?

CuriousTomCat · 14 Feb 2022 at 08:04

q974739 said:
Agreed, that's a better question. Want to answer it?

Get a 1440p screen and a 1080p card because you don't play modern games.

"My quality target is "I turn on all the pretty for the game" - on the flip side, I have a mile long backlog of games and only buy when things are cheap. Not got around to fallout 4 yet..."

So by the time you get around to playing today's games, you'll be on your next graphics card.

varkanoid · 14 Feb 2022 at 08:45

HangTime said:
Lines are a bit blurred here because people have differing views about framerates, AA, DLSS/FSR etc.
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Alan McFall said:
But once you've bought a 1440p monitor you're committed )downscaling sucks from what i've heard), my current GPU only just does 1080p 60 with full RT (still needs DLSS for a smooth experience), wouldn't have a chance at 1440p on the games I upgraded to play. Maybe if RTX4000/RX7000 are as powerful as rumoured and the price stays sane i'll make the jump.
I know, I was only messing

arc@css said:
I'd also go a 27" 1440p 144hz (or greater) screen.
As for the card, seeing as you like to turn up the eye candy, I'd opt for no lower than a 6600XT but ideally, aim for the 3060Ti/6700XT or up to the 6800.

@q974739 see what was said above, top poster isnt happy with a 3060ti @ 1440p but second poster says 3060ti is fine. Its down to personal preference. I've used a 3060ti with 1440p and IMHO its fine.

Impy77 said:
1080p ultrawide works fine with my 44 year old eyes (having tried a 1440p panel I preferred lower res higher frames)

Miganto said:
for the same size screen, 1080p has larger pixels than 1440p and things like text are scaled to pixels, so everything is a bit bigger on 1080p.

So you just turn up the Scale and Layout percentage in 1440p to make the text bigger. :cry: