Currently have a 1070Ti. Gaming at 1440 on a 75Hz monitor. Is there a graphics card worth buying?

[Angilion]

I still have upgraditis despite building a new PC recently to replace my old PC based on an i7-4790K (I really got my money's worth from that!). I kept the 1070 Ti I've had for maybe 5 years now. It's a golden sample one with excessive cooling and came under-volted out of the box, so it runs cool and quiet and is limited only by power draw. So performance is somewhat better than a stock 1070Ti.

I've been considering a new graphics card but I'm not seeing anything that jumps out at me in terms of price/performance. It would have to be much better than what I have to be worth upgrading but the pricing makes me think "nah, not worth it". I'll pay £500 for a graphics card, but not when it's last gen midrange.

Am I missing something, some obscure card that's a much better buy?

Other specs - Ryzen 7 5700X, 32GB DDR4-3600, B550 board, 1KW Corsair RMx PSU (i.e. plenty for almost any graphics card) Phantek P600S case (i.e. plenty of space).

 

[Quixote]

This, perhaps ?

PowerColor Radeon RX 6700 XT Fighter 12GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card

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It's an upper-midrange last-gen card, but a fair bit cheaper than £500. The 12GB VRam is going to come increasingly in handy over the next couple of years.
Even better would be a 2nd hand 6800 (non-xt).

 

[Tetras]

RX 6800 is closest you'll come, I'd think (since it is technically high-end rather than "last gen midrange"), but might be tough getting one at your budget. The 4070 Ti is another £300.

 

[Semple]

I started a thread earlier about choosing between a 6750xt and 3060Ti as that's about where your budget lies, but similar to me I'd be a bit begrudged paying £500 for last gens low-mid range card.

I think if anything this is probably reflecting where GPU prices are going.

 

[SpellowHouse]

Don't forget you can still (amazingly) sell the 1070ti for a few quid to help fund your purchase.

 

[Angilion]

This, perhaps ?

PowerColor Radeon RX 6700 XT Fighter 12GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card

Order PowerColor Radeon RX 6700 XT Fighter 12GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card now online and benefit from fast delivery.

www.overclockers.co.uk

It's an upper-midrange last-gen card, but a fair bit cheaper than £500. The 12GB VRam is going to come increasingly in handy over the next couple of years.
Even better would be a 2nd hand 6800 (non-xt).

I'd thought about that (or a 6750XT) but I'm not sure it would have enough "oh wow, that's so much better!" over my current card. The extra VRAM will come increasingly handy over the next couple of years, but I could carry on waiting and buy a card with more VRAM at whatever point in the future when 8GB isn't enough at 2560x1440.

 

[Quixote]

I'd thought about that (or a 6750XT) but I'm not sure it would have enough "oh wow, that's so much better!" over my current card. The extra VRAM will come increasingly handy over the next couple of years, but I could carry on waiting and buy a card with more VRAM at whatever point in the future when 8GB isn't enough at 2560x1440.

Always an option too. I guess it depends if you're playing any pretty demanding games that are struggling now. Then you'll definitely appreciate the boost. Maybe £390 doesn't need to have as much 'wow' as £500 ?
But equally, if you're OK with what you have, it's likely (not gauranteed) you'll get more for the money a year or 2 from now.

 

[Angilion]

Don't forget you can still (amazingly) sell the 1070ti for a few quid to help fund your purchase.

Yeah, probably £110 after postage. Or maybe £100 if I just take it to CEX for convenience. But the money isn't really the issue. It's the value for money that's the issue. I could spend £2K on a graphics card. But I'd feel like a mug every time I used or saw my PC. What I get for selling my 1070Ti wouldn't help with how I perceive the value I'm getting for the price I'm paying.

I started a thread earlier about choosing between a 6750xt and 3060Ti as that's about where your budget lies, but similar to me I'd be a bit begrudged paying £500 for last gens low-mid range card.

I think if anything this is probably reflecting where GPU prices are going.

I guess I can carry on using my 1070 Ti. I paid £420 for it when it was the best model of the then new 1070Ti, which seemed like a high price then. But it's turned out to be about £100 a year and during the brief time I overclocked it for sport (a few hours for testing, then I set it back to stock) it was beating some 1080 Ti cards and at the time that was the top end card.

 

[decto]

I'd wait for the 4070 to launch as see how that is priced.

Likely to be priced similar to / perform similar to the 6800XT @ £600 which will either drop the price of the 6800 or give you a current gen alternative.

6700XT is last gen and ~ 2x performance improvement for £400
4070 likely to be a great 1440p card, 3 x perfomance improvement and current gen @ est £600

Yes the 4070 will be overpriced, but DLSS works very well in supported games and you have decent RT performance if that's your thing.

If you're not in a rush, give it a few weeks and see what flushes out

 

[Tetras]

I'd wait for the 4070 to launch as see how that is priced.

Likely to be priced similar to / perform similar to the 6800XT @ £600 which will either drop the price of the 6800 or give you a current gen alternative.

Haven't been paying attention to the leaks lately, but since the 3070 seems to be £500 - £600 at the moment, I'd be very surprised if the 4070 was £600. £700 would be my guess and the 4060 Ti @ £600.

 

[decto]

Haven't been paying attention to the leaks lately, but since the 3070 seems to be £500 - £600 at the moment, I'd be very surprised if the 4070 was £600. £700 would be my guess and the 4060 Ti @ £600.

£700 seems steep, 3070 vs 3070TI was a slight bump in cuda cores (4%) and a switch to GDDR6X for $100 / £100 with VAT
The 4070 to 4070 TI will be an increase of 30% cuda cores and likely faster GDDR6X, if it isn't cut down to 10GB by the time it releases.

£100 feels a very small gap given how the 4070 Ti doesn't seem to be flying off shelves.
I expect closer to £600 for the founders than £700 hence why I said wait and see.

Also rumours around AMD driver team struggling to focus on two different architectures right now (slow release for 6xxx updates) so I'd want to see how that works out before committing.

 

[Darujhistan]

Haven't been paying attention to the leaks lately, but since the 3070 seems to be £500 - £600 at the moment, I'd be very surprised if the 4070 was £600. £700 would be my guess and the 4060 Ti @ £600.

You have to remember though that the 4060ti won't actually be a 60 class card it will be cut down rip-off like the 4070ti which is actually a 4060ti.

So what "value" that's going to represent at £600-£700 is anyone's guess probably not much.

But yeah I would definitelty suggest the OP waits to see what the later cards bring.

 

[Besty]

Depending on what you play the Intel Arc 750 reference looks like a decent buy after todays price drop.

 

[Quixote]

Also rumours around AMD driver team struggling to focus on two different architectures right now (slow release for 6xxx updates) so I'd want to see how that works out before committing.

There's nothing much wrong with 6xxx series drivers though, where they have lots of things to sort out on 7xxx series drivers. I've no doubt they'll have new 6xxx drivers out fairly soon, but it's not like they need them for most cases & it's only been a month or 2. It wouldn't affect my buying decision on a 6-series.
I do agree though, if you're not in a rush, no harm in seeing where the 4070 lands. But if they cut the VRAM below 12GB, I'd give it a swerve.

 

[throwaway4372]

Wait for 4060

 

[SpellowHouse]

I'd wait for the 4070 to launch as see how that is priced.

You're a "pints full" kinda guy then?

 

[Shroud]

You people who think the 3060ti and 3070 are going to drop in price when 4070/4060 hits haven't been paying attention. As far as Nvidia are concerned they have no competition. They charge whatever they want and either gamers cough up or get out.

The 4070ti has already shown us that Nvidia wont compete on price with its own stock ( 3060ti , 3070 ) , 4070 will be £699 and 4060 will be £599. This pricing strategy also means they wont have to drop prices on 3060ti and 3070 much, if at all.

 

[ElB]

I confess I'm somewhat at a loss why there's so much hate for the 4070Ti. The performance is great relative to the previous generation, every game I've thrown at it hovers around 3090 levels (and even trades blows with the 3090Ti from time to time) and has additional gains to be made with DLSS3 frame generation, my specific card (Inno3D x3) is dual slot and less than 300mm long so it'll fit in smaller cases (the 3060 that it's replaced now looks comically large in comparison), I didn't have to buy a new overpowered PSU and sell a kidney to pay the electricity bill to run it, and the overall value proposition (£800 for a card that performs as well as a £1200+ card) seems reasonable to me. I mean sure, it would be nice if it was cheaper and Nvidia had a slightly less obvious "we have a lot of old cards we need to shift" pricing structure, but it would also be nice if Jennifer Lawrence came to my house and fed me peeled grapes whilst rubbing me with baby oil but unfortunately things don't always work out how we'd like!

(For a historical perspective on generational differences, the 1070 was roughly equivalent to the 980Ti in terms of performance, and they had a similar 4 tier SKU gap - 70-70Ti-80-80Ti vs 70Ti-80-80Ti-90 - and the price differential was almost identical: the 1070 launch price was about 70% of the launch price of the 980Ti.)

 

[Angilion]

I confess I'm somewhat at a loss why there's so much hate for the 4070Ti. [..]

It's a massively over-priced misleadingly labelled low midrange card.

"Hate" is the wrong word. Few people are insane enough to hate a graphics card. I'm aware that there's a persistent campaign to thoroughly corrupt the meaning of many words and "hate" is one of them, but that's just part of fashionable authoritarianism (dissent being mislabelled as hate to suppress it) and I want no part of that. Just like I want no part of paying £800 for a misleadingly labelled low midrange graphics card. That doesn't mean I hate the card. I don't even hate the people responsible for the situation we're in. Hate is an extreme thing. I dislike what they're doing, but I understand it. They're using lack of regulation and lack of competition to maximise profit margins because that benefits their careers and status and wealth. It doesn't matter that it will reduce or even end the market for the products - that's not what they're judged on and they can (and do) blame it on something else anyway. That's how business works.

 

[ElB]

a misleadingly labelled low graphics midrange card

See, this is the bit I don't get. It's about as powerful as the previous generation's flagship - in 3D Mark and the dozen or so games I've benchmarked my results fall somewhere between a 3090 and 3090Ti (for example the average Time Spy for a 3090 in systems with the same CPU as me is 15,421, my score is 16,559) - so based on previous generations it's pretty much the expected equivalent performance/tier differential (e.g. the aforementioned 1070 vs 980Ti). The price ratio is about the same as previous generations too. It is neither underpowered nor overpriced, and as far as I can see the only real difference this time around is that the last gen stuff is still available and hasn't dropped in price, but that's a whole other issue - it's the older cards that are now overpriced based on their performance and not the 4070Ti.

(And I'm using "hate" in the widely accepted colloquial sense of "people complaining a lot"; meanings drift all the time, always have done, always will, and representing it as a "persistent campaign" or "authoritarianism" is somewhat overegging the pudding, I think!)