Cyclists apopletic about law being applied to them

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...-police-traffic-light-crackdown-row-red-light

I find it absolutely hilarious that some many cycling and road safety campaigners are going off their collect nut to moan that police are applying the law to them and punishing them in accordance with the law.
One such campaigner, going by the username 'CyclingMikey tired of road crime.' on Twitter even stated that police should be focusing on evidence-led crime rather than target-led.

Several forces held operations with the worst one (that I've read) where GMP watched one specific junction and in a 90 min window, THIRTY offending cylcists were caught.

Personally I hope this is only the start. I hope that many more operations in a similar nature are conducted. That way a proper picture of just how many offences are committed by cyclists & how much of the danger they claim they face is down to their own reckless behaviour.

 

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Reckless behaviour?

Lol. Grow up

So running a red light isn't reckless?

Think your lycra is a bit tight mate.

 

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No because 99.9% of cyclists will stop at the red light and check if there's any vehicles coming on the "green" side before deciding if it's safe to proceed or not

But if I did that in my car or my work vehicle you'd be calling for my neck in a noose.

 

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They should clamp down on bus drivers pulling out with little or no signalling and playing the gross tonnage wins game. Also those bus drivers that even when given a whole lane pull across those lane markings to go around something slow like a bike in front of them.

Nah, You're going to have to try the 2nd bit again, this time in English.

yes - zero tolerance for linking Express articles -
a more balanced view
https://road.cc/content/news/questions-asked-after-latest-red-light-jumping-crackdown-290177
https://road.cc/content/news/police-catch-18-red-light-jumping-cyclists-90-minutes-289991

was surprised fines are that low £50 , ... maybe I missed mention of driving license points penalty being applied too.

A pro-cycling website who's article concentrated on the theme of wasted police resources of the operation rather than the CRIMINALS the operation caught?

That's your idea of 'balanced view'


For all of those that moaned about the Express link. I just linked the first result on Google of a few sources for the story

 

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Pretty sure I could go to any junction and find more than 30 cars going through on red in 90 minutes but it's OK for them because they own the road and pay a mythical road tax.

Focusing on cyclist going through red lights with the excuse of safety is like the police targeting grenade crime in London instead of knife crime - pointless when one is causing deaths all the time and the other isn't.



Let's ban all recreational related driving then. Going to the cinema, going out to eat, gym, pub... They're not required journeys, off the road you come. And that would make a MUCH bigger impact to traffic and nuisance drivers (especially those damn drink drivers).

(Deleted your second strange point)

Please tell me you're both trying to be satirical.

The alternative doesn't bear thinking about.

 

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That's the only issue I really have with it... If a driver jumps a red light and injures/kills someone then they will shoulder the guilt of it (quite rightly) but if a cyclist does it, the driver who inadvertently hits them may still shoulder the guilt of having injured/killed someone and it would have been avoided had the cyclist not jumped the light

Is that right?

Not only shoulder the guilt but be prosecuted & convicted for driving without due care despite breaking no law, just ask Charlie Austin...

 

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Every time I'm in my car at least 2 cars will go through red lights and if they are doing it my side they are doing it the other side and over a 90 minute period that's a lot of cars. However cars are allowed to do it because....

So you claim at least four cars go through a solid red light EVERYTIME you're at a controlled junction.

There are enough facepalm memes in the world for this ridiculous fantasy.

 

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Brilliant, How did you get all that out of my post

Emissions of the herbal kind I suspect.....

 

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I quite often cycle up to pedestrian crossings on red and car drivers either peep me to go through on red or just overtake me and go through on red.

 

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Not really. This has been exactly the same since I was a child so for at least 20+ years. Cyclists inconvenience drivers and drivers make cyclists feel like they might die on every journey. One of these things just happens to be more serious than the other...

This is one thing where I don't think the debate has become any more polarised over time.

And yet many cyclists choose to ignore the highway code/cycling infrastructure put in place to make them safer. A driver isn't making that decision, the cyclist is, therefore it's the cyclist making themselves feel like they might die on every journey.

Running a red light into oncoming traffic is a sure-fire way of raising the odds of death occuring very quickly.

 

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This one (London again) from a few years back is pretty funny

Sad thing is that the bus driver probably got reported and faced the sack for it.

 

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ah it’s hilarious. Cyclists brakes actually snapped and he couldn’t stop funny enough!

Several ways he could have scrubbed off speed well before the light though, one being he could have turned.

Or like I did in my youth, jammed my foot on the rear wheel Wasn't painless but I didn't end up hitting the wall I was hurtling towards

 

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is that even physically possible unless your on a bmx? did he have mudguards? I can't be bothered to try and notice but I'm guessing yes if he was commuting and didn't want a dirty wet horizontal line on his back

probably lose 0 speed turning as well since so less of the bike is actually touching the surface of the road and there's so less rolling resistance.
your trying to imply car physics to a bike?

An early 'mountain' bike. Halford's £100 special

 

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Meanwhile, over in Motors, a car driver thinks the law, with a much more serious offence, doesn't apply to them. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/anyone-know-any-decent-motoring-lawyers.18947851/

And this is quite a ironic thread by them just a few months earlier. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/rant-london-driving-cyclists.18943243/

Whilst in this thread, Trifid attempts the old 'whataboutery' routine.

Obviously your reading comprehension isn't very good as nowhere has the OP said his behaviour was acceptable.

 

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Ah.

So cyclists are kicking off again because they've been told the rules apply to them once again.

This time, the A57 Snake Pass has been closed to all traffic until further notice due to landslides.

Cyclists are kicking off and calling it 'anti-cyclist mandate dressed up as health and safety'

Link

 

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I think the gripe about landslides is that it’s unsafe for motor vehicles (it didn’t stop some, drivers still drove on the road despite the closure) because of their weight whereas there isn’t an issue with bicycles. If there is genuinely an issue with the road giving way with bicycles on it then I don’t see an issue with closing the road completely, although I don’t believe that is the case

As far as I am aware the road was still open to people walking and cycling

The issue is that authorities said those cylists that use the route to commute would be allowed to ride the road, pedestrians included.

Instead cyclists just looking to ride for leisure kept turning up in droves and the risk increased.
There were very few commuter cyclists so the chance of an accident happening was tiny.

With higher numbers that risk increased. In the event of an accident, a known blackspot for phone reception and no emergency phones meant getting help was difficult. Getting help to them was a risk. Rescue vehicles would need to get to the casualty and that posed a risk to rescue crews. The authorties chose to err on the side of caution and remove the risk entirely & now the road is closed to all.