Dash Update Details Confirmed...

Memphis · 9 Apr 2007 at 17:37

Psycho Sonny said:
i dont understand why they cant update xbox live every week like valve does with steam

Because there's no need?

Psycho Sonny · 9 Apr 2007 at 17:41

Memphis said:
Because there's no need?

wouldnt you prefer to have these new features as soon as possible rather than waiting a whole year, they only do 2 updates a year, only 1 of them actually affects the end user, so really they only do 1 real update a year, so after this update im going to have to wait a whole year to get any new features that they develop rather than getting them straight away, whereas sony make firmware upgrades for their psp every few months, i find it totally stupid that we pay for the service and rather than being given updates as soon as possible we have to wait a year

are you really telling me there is no need to update the console more frequently than once a year

KNiVES · 9 Apr 2007 at 18:32

You seriously want revamps every week? It would alienate the userbase, much like Steam's new look and interface did for many others. And no, there's no need to update the console so frequently, it's fine as it is, we bought consoles to avoid the negative traits of PC-dom (which is what regular updates and patches is).

NorthstaNder · 9 Apr 2007 at 18:36

Psycho Sonny said:
wouldnt you prefer to have these new features as soon as possible rather than waiting a whole year, they only do 2 updates a year, only 1 of them actually affects the end user, so really they only do 1 real update a year, so after this update im going to have to wait a whole year to get any new features that they develop rather than getting them straight away, whereas sony make firmware upgrades for their psp every few months, i find it totally stupid that we pay for the service and rather than being given updates as soon as possible we have to wait a year

are you really telling me there is no need to update the console more frequently than once a year

well the two updates last year affected end users. the fall update tidied up the marketplace and arcade blade. and it added the extra vga resolution too.

can't remember what the spring update changed it was too long ago!

McManicMan · 9 Apr 2007 at 18:44

the 360 wouldn't be able to cope with weekly, monthly updates, the amount of people who post that the updates kill their consoles every spring and fall is proof of the fact.

Psycho Sonny · 9 Apr 2007 at 18:50

KNiVES said:
You seriously want revamps every week? It would alienate the userbase, much like Steam's new look and interface did for many others. And no, there's no need to update the console so frequently, it's fine as it is, we bought consoles to avoid the negative traits of PC-dom (which is what regular updates and patches is).

maybe not every week but whenever they have developed a new feature or optimised an old one or done something worth doing i would rather have the update sooner rather than later - maybe every month,

you seriously think updates and patches are a trait - *** a noob

Freeman · 9 Apr 2007 at 18:51

Game is that?

Psycho Sonny · 9 Apr 2007 at 18:52

NorthstaNder said:
well the two updates last year affected end users. the fall update tidied up the marketplace and arcade blade. and it added the extra vga resolution too.

can't remember what the spring update changed it was too long ago!

exactly updates are too few and too far away from each other - maybe even an update every 3 months would be bettter than the current situation

Andybtsn · 9 Apr 2007 at 18:59

Freeman said:
Game is that?

Forza

Phil99 · 9 Apr 2007 at 20:28

rp2000 said:
I have a hunch that the files you mean (the h.264 files with 5.1 sound that are found on the internet) will not work natively. The text they quote states only files that have upto 4.1 sound will be supported and no-one encodes hem like that. (Unless I am mis-reading this).

Just a hunch as the PS3 says it supports these types of files and I haven;t ben able to get them to work properly either.

"Finally I gan give more details without getting into trouble.

Good news: h.264 is the same decoder used for HD-DVD. VC-1 is also multi threaded so higher bitrates should now work.

Bad news: h.264 is only supported in MPEG-4 containers and the audio is ONLY 2ch AAC LC. The profile support is 4.1 for HD and 5.0 and 5.1 for SD (720x576) content (we run out of memory for HD 5.0+ content). MPEG4 is SP only no ASP seatures are supported (B-Frame, QPEL etc.). Also no subtitle support.

This updated functionality is for the dash video player only. MCX is a separate product and is completely unrelated to the dash."

Posted on another forum, quote by an MS representative

According to one of my friends this means no XVid as that's ASP (I don't know an awful lot about these formats), however it shouldn't be too hard to encode in to something that is compatible now, without resorting to WMV. The 'profiles' don't have anything to do with audio if I'm informed correctly

steveo · 9 Apr 2007 at 20:37

i just want a web browser now and am set

so the h.264 will now support movies that i have encoded for my ipod video

skanky · 9 Apr 2007 at 20:38

only 2ch sound? fs thats crap!

the_dead_parrot · 9 Apr 2007 at 20:48

I should have guessed it would be too good to be true... I think its the same on the ps3, it supports h.264 but only if its MPEG4. I dont see why they couldnt just add a few more supprted codecs, I know the anti-pirate brigade wouldnt like it but it would make my xbox a lot more like the media centre I want it to be. All that transcoding/encoding business does my head in!!!

btw anyone seen these pics of the keyboard... apparently its backlit too!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gamerscore/sets/72157600058725367/

Alrik · 9 Apr 2007 at 21:21

Dark_Angel said:
Only 2 features I REALLY want now is 1680x1050 support, and the ability to remove games from your profile with no achivements (like arcade games you have not purchased for example).

Thats all I would really want

I tried downloading any old trial arcade game to see what it looked like on a HDTV (total crap

) now it says I've played frogger and Ive got 0 points in it. It annoys the hell out of me everytime I sign into my profile on Xbox.com or my 360 :mad:

I think the mini keyboard is a brilliant idea, though it doesnt look to pretty its a great idea to have it slot into the bottom of the controller like a headset does. I saw a post today on another forum laughing at it saying how bulky it is for a controller and made comparisons to the PS3 'boomerang'

too bad the retard didnt realise it was an ADD-ON and optional

suarve · 9 Apr 2007 at 21:46

mark66 said:
Excellent
Yeah, she is fairly irritating, but I get the feeling Major Nelson feels the same! However I always thought she sounded like she was quite hot, but after seeing their video interview on Xbox.com I realised she mings hard!!

mings hard, rofl!

KNiVES · 9 Apr 2007 at 22:42

Psycho Sonny said:
maybe not every week but whenever they have developed a new feature or optimised an old one or done something worth doing i would rather have the update sooner rather than later - maybe every month,

you seriously think updates and patches are a trait - *** a noob

Yes, in the context that it encourages developers to release unfinished and buggy products, which is a pretty common trend right now. You're the moron here if you can't see that (especially if you use the word 'noob'). The amount of games that come out only to get patches on the first week of release is not funny. Stalker for example, was a mess until the 10001 patch which came out a week later. And precious Gears of War got a day 1 patch, because the multiplayer aspect of the game wasn't playtested properly. We're not supposed to get that with console games. If you say we are, then all the more folly for thinking that *gasp* there are people who don't have internet connections to their 360s and Playstations.

Complete and clean packages at release should be the norm, but it's not - and people of your mentality are why developers are rubbing their hands in glee at early releases for maximum profit at the disadvantage of the gamers themselves. No Quality Assurance? Don't care, lovely Psycho Sonny can happily wait for a patch.

Phemo · 9 Apr 2007 at 22:46

I like the idea of the keyboard. There is one thing I don't get, however. Looking at the renders and the actual photos of it, there's just a jack on the bottom for where the headset would plug in. The problem is that the two little slots either side of the jack aren't on the keyboard, so how will those people with the wired headset plug their headsets in?

I'm guessing it'll come with an adapter of some sort but then you'll just have a bulky bit dangling from the keyboard.

Or maybe they figure that if you're using the keyboard you won't need to use a headset, but if that was the case why would the jack be there at all? Hmm ...

wellibob · 9 Apr 2007 at 23:38

only 2ch sound? fs thats crap!

my sentiments exactly

rp2000 · 9 Apr 2007 at 23:39

Phemo said:
I like the idea of the keyboard. There is one thing I don't get, however. Looking at the renders and the actual photos of it, there's just a jack on the bottom for where the headset would plug in. The problem is that the two little slots either side of the jack aren't on the keyboard, so how will those people with the wired headset plug their headsets in?

I'm guessing it'll come with an adapter of some sort but then you'll just have a bulky bit dangling from the keyboard.

Or maybe they figure that if you're using the keyboard you won't need to use a headset, but if that was the case why would the jack be there at all? Hmm ...

This was the reason I thought the picture was photshopped originally!!

rp2000

GuruJockStrap · 9 Apr 2007 at 23:50

Grrr... Still no 16:10 resolution support. :mad: