DDR3 1333 stable, 1366 fail?

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Hi, I'll spit this into two parts. A quick question, and then a longer query if you don't mind reading a bit:

First, my memory (OCZ3P1333LV4GK) is rated at 1333 7-7-7-20 1.65V. Set these stock timings up (actually 1.64V in the BIOS), which actaully proved unstable (OCCT failed after 50 minutes). Noticed the motherboard AUTO base clock was 136.7, so I locked this to manual 133. This seems to have stabilised the RAM, all other settings are the same. As a test, I dropped the memory voltage to 1.60volts, which with the AUTO base clock instantly errors in Prime95 every time. Locked the base clock back to 133 and it survived for almost an hour before erroring.

Is this normal that only a few extra MHz can make that much difference? I presume a small increase in voltage may stabilise the ram at 1367MHz, but I don't want to push outside the recommended limits.

As a note, memtest86+ v4.0 passes every time, even at timings/voltage settings that I know will fail Prime95/OCCT instantly.

ok, and now for the longer query:

I've been testing stability and memory timings without the video drivers installed (using Win7 64bit default drivers), as I've previously been getting a lot of graphics card VPU recovers and random crashing at idle (strangely, not when gaming). This may have been a symptom of my system being unstable, which is why I'm getting it all working before I move on to diagnosing the video card.

I originally had a Corsair HX450W PSU, but since that's pushing it for the Core i5 and 5850, I upgraded to a Corsair HX650W PSU. That's the point when I started getting ramdom freezing, from the very first boot! (i.e. nothing responds, except a hard reset). I hadn't had a single freeze with the 450W, just the VPU recover messages. I have no idea why my system seems more tempremental with the new PSU, perhaps it's just subtle voltage differences.

Before the PSU upgrade, I had been running my memory on auto bios settings (1066MHz, 7-7-7-19 1.5V), and whilst the timings seem fine, I think the voltage was just too low. Perhaps that made it worse over time?

Another possibility is the CPU socket having bent pins. Seeing as I spent such a long time getting a neat and tidy build, I'm reluctant to start pulling out all the components to get at the CPU. And I need some more thermal compound if I do so! I really don't know if my problems could be related to this?
 
hyperst, I've read what appear to be your posts on the OCZ forums, as well as the replies you've made to several of my posts here at OcUK.

It does seem there's something strange going on, either with the P55/i5 combination, or perhaps even OCZ memory. Like I said, a few extra MHz seems to cause system freezing. The memory could be extremely fussy with bios settings, but I find it hard to believe that the memory (at stock speeds) is operating at it's absolute limit! Or less than stock in your case.

But then I've also had most of my freezes/crashes at idle (NB: video crashing only occurs with drivers installed), which kind of points toward the CPU power-save modes?

I may disassemble my computer to check the CPU socket, but I don't think I'll find anything. Which will be a pain... but I'm at a position where I might actually try some different ram, even though memtest gives zero errors.
 
Today I ran LinX for about 5 runs, using ALL memory. Ran fine, so I closed the program. Then went to click on Chrome browser and freeeeze!

So updated the BIOS (again) to latest, which coincidently drops the Auto base clock back to 133. Memory timings back to standard, vdimm 1.64V. Froze during web browsing!

Upped VTT/QPI (uncore) voltage to 1.15, in keeping with the 0.5v vdimm-qpi rule. Currently running ok. But problems are so intermittent... LinX and the others may draw out the error eventually, but I'm amazed it can pass multiple LinX runs, or an hour of OCCT, then just freeze when nothing's happening.

[edit:] I also noticed the OCZ guys always suggesting very high voltages. I got shot down by suggesting a vtt/qpi voltage of 1.35V was too high for Core i5, but constantly recommended by OCZ.
 
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Mine does also. Perhaps 1.35 is ok, perhaps it's not been changed from the i7 specs.

You're running Vista 64bit right? I have Win7 64bit, and just noticed the "High Performance" power setting stops the CPU multiplier dropping to x9 at idle. Will see if that helps things at all. Ran 20 loops of LinX at size 20000, no problems.
 
Perhaps not "definitely" the ram. CPU core voltage may help run a system more stable, along with many factors! At the moment, memory timings and voltages seem to be the most influential, but it's possible it might be something entirely different!

Currently VTT at 1.15V, but I'm running everything at stock. The x9 multiplier is the Intel Speedstep kicking in. In XP I don't think this was supported, so only got the x21 to x24 turbo running single core. Pretty sure all this disables if you change the base clock.
 
Surely CAS9 is looser/slower than 8? I really don't know enough about overclocking to help you with the voltages. I presume everything is fine at stock speeds right?
 
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