decent stereo amp with line/sub out

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My son has neither a lot of space or money and wants to set up system with the addition later of a subwoofer .Therefore bookshelf speakers which can be bass light will perhaps need a sub . He has good taste ( from me ;) ) so I dont know if it is better for cheapish stereo amp or 5.1 .
Any suggestions ? for around £300-400
 
£300-£400 will buy a respectable stereo amp and speakers. However, you're unlikely to get a subwoofer output on the amp at the lower end of your budget unless you (or he) desides to sacrifice audio fidelity for features.

To keep both, the Yamaha AS301 amp @ £225 is a good option. You also get at least two digital audio inputs (optical and coax) which means direct compatibility with a TV, Sky/Virgin/Freeview box if they're his TV sources, and that's without spending anything extra on adapter boxes or external DACS as you might have to with more budget-oriented main brand amps. Having all-in-one in a quality amp saves money and keeps things simple too.

For speakers, one of your or his concerns is bass from small bookshelf speakers. The answer to that is simple: Don't buy bass-lite small bookshelf speakers. Lol

If you'd have been making some decisions 6 months ago, then my go-to recommended choice for a standmounter with decent bass was the Monitor Audio Bronze 2. That's because they were big, well-made, bass-ported standmounters. If I think back to starter Hi-Fi in the early '80s, this size of speaker would have been your typical 1st purchase. Tens of thousands of people listened to their music for years on stuff like this without having serious thoughts about adding a sub.

In the mid-80s the trend started for smaller speakers. It was a compromise to price. Wharfedale Diamonds did music just fine at a little over half the price of bigger alternatives just so long as you could live with the bass-lite presentation.

The trend for small continues, and due to inflation, small speakers are incredibly cheap compared to their equivalents from 30 years ago. What hasn't change though is physics.

Make a small box, fit a small bass driver, and the result is inevitable. For this reason, I would hunt down a good used pair of Monitor Audio Bronze 2 or BX2 (previous model). Any sub you can buy for under £250 new ain't going to do much better than these for bass. In order to make an appreciable improvement then your sub budget would need to be £400+.

£400 on a 5.1 AV surround system just won't compete for music. For a start, you're spreading the speaker money really thin. Let's say for £200 you can make two speakers or 6, then it stands to reason that each of the 6 speakers gets a much thinner slice of the money cake. All else being equal, money equates to sound quality. Less money equals less sound quality.
 
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You don't need a dedicated subwoofer out in a stereo amp.

Either use left and right pre outs or left and right speaker level.

True, but only if the amp has Stereo Pre-Outs. A lot of integrated amps don't.

As for the sub, when the total equipment spend is £400, then IME it's likely that the enquirer isn't thinking about spending much more than another 50% on top for a sub. The vast majority of new subs within that price range only have a line in connection. They don't have speaker level inputs.
 
I would try and get a amp with pre outs as may want to upgrade to more power later or biamp. Or use pre outs to sub.

Like lucid said check sub have high level and some lack stereo line level inputs too.

Best if your pre amp has pre outs and sub has stereo line level and high level that way lots of flexibility.

For a hifi a sub with high pass is useful if you have bookshelf speakers. I've used high pass in a sub.
 
I would suggest that if you are happy to purchase (normally very well looked after) second hand, AV Forums for sale section is a very good place to start. I recently picked a 12 month old AVR X2400H in mint condition for £250 and a BK Gemini II for £100. Monitor audio speakers are regularly to be found for sale at 1/2 their retail price. Your son could quite easily build a very nice system for well within his budget.

Or he could maybe look at a pair of powered / active speakers, with a little more presence such as Dali Zensor 1AX Speakers or the Focal Alpha Range or Audioengine A5+
 
Look at some Elac B5's, the older version can be had for 200, I don't own these speakers but apparently they work well without a sub.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KZ7ig9EiNI

You should be putting most of your money into speakers as speakers will make the biggest difference to you. Also without good speakers you will never be able to judge correct other parts of the audio chain.

Also should be leaving part of your budget for speaker stands as speakers should be raised up to ear level to sound correct, Gear4Music make some good budget ones. You can have a 1000 speaker if you leave it sitting on a shelf or desk it will never sound correct.

Also leave some money for good speaker cable, DCSK (just google it) make good speaker cable for not much money.

Over the amp I can't really recommend as my good amps from 90's period Pioneers.
 
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