decline bench sit ups - Lower back pain

azzaman+ · 21 Mar 2013 at 13:45

when i'm down the gym doing these sometimes i get a specific aching right at the base of my lower back.

what could cause this?

its not a sharp pain or anything, and I try and keep form while doing 5 sets of 20 reps with the bench on max decline..

Could i be hurting my back, or is it just that the lower back muscles are weak?

icecold · 21 Mar 2013 at 13:50

You guys have got to be kidding with these threads.

In case you're not...

SIT UPS ARE TERRIBLE

DECLINE SIT UPS ARE EVEN WORSE

DOING ANY KIND OF TWISTING MOTION WITH YOUR BACK I NOT A GOOD IDEA.

**** the bed...

'Wes · 21 Mar 2013 at 13:51

Do planks or ab roll outs and compound movements such as the Squat and the Deadlift.

azzaman+ · 21 Mar 2013 at 13:55

what about an abs machine like this?

I looked on this exrx site and it says that the excersise is ok?

http://www.exrx.net/Questions/DangerousExercises.html#anchor415546

Zefan · 21 Mar 2013 at 14:01

Got to be a troll.

'Wes · 21 Mar 2013 at 14:03

Zefan said:
Got to be a troll.

Just thought this, noticed his first two posts on this forum are abdominal related, and poor exercises too.

icecold · 21 Mar 2013 at 14:08

Zefan said:
Got to be a troll.

The posting of Scott Herman heavily hints at this!

OP, those are both terrible exercises.

Morba · 21 Mar 2013 at 14:08

Ass Man....

azzaman+ · 21 Mar 2013 at 14:26

what the hell?

Whats wrong with Scott Herman? I thought his vids were great?

instead of calling somone a troll, why dont you tell me what is wrong with the abs excersise i posted?

Ive used this machine and it certainly helps, and gives me great soreness the next day which is a feeling i love and leads me to believe i had a good work out....

cant see what the problem is? (someone tell me?)

icecold · 21 Mar 2013 at 14:42

Nope, Scott Herman is just a moron.

You've been given some information, its up to you if you want to listen or not. There is lots of information in the exercise guide thread should you choose to read it.

Also, "soreness" is absolutely not an indication that something "certainly helps".

Djdom56 · 21 Mar 2013 at 14:51

Lol

Fun thread

azzaman+ · 21 Mar 2013 at 15:57

icecold said:
Nope, Scott Herman is just a moron.

You've been given some information, its up to you if you want to listen or not. There is lots of information in the exercise guide thread should you choose to read it.

Also, "soreness" is absolutely not an indication that something "certainly helps".

How is he a moron?

Hes built really well and seems to know his stuff? Are you suggesting that you are built better and are fitter than him?

Also there are two other youtubers I have watched. Yo Elliot! and Mike Chang I think.

Both of these guys seem to know what they are talking about.

King Damager · 21 Mar 2013 at 16:01

The only two people who I would recommend blindly as people to watch on YouTube are Kelly Starret and Eric Cressey.

Being built well doesn't mean you know anything at all. Hell, look at Stoodles

kd

Begbie · 21 Mar 2013 at 16:04

azzaman+ said:
How is he a moron?

Hes built really well and seems to know his stuff? Are you suggesting that you are built better and are fitter than him?

Also there are two other youtubers I have watched. Yo Elliot! and Mike Chang I think.

Both of these guys seem to know what they are talking about.

Have you seen Ice?

Get into the training logs!

azzaman+ · 21 Mar 2013 at 16:20

Ok ok ok .. let me have a look at these training logs then.

Just one more thing. If I dont wanna do planks, what about that thing where you do a raise on some bars that stick out, and you bring your knees up to your chest?

Is that any good?

I dont like to be stationary, I like to move, hence why I like the non plank excersises.

King Damager · 21 Mar 2013 at 16:25

azzaman+ said:
Ok ok ok .. let me have a look at these training logs then.

Just one more thing. If I dont wanna do planks, what about that thing where you do a raise on some bars that stick out, and you bring your knees up to your chest?

Is that any good?

I dont like to be stationary, I like to move, hence why I like the non plank excersises.

Form thread:
Reverse Crunch
Paloff Press
Land mines
Ab wheel rollouts.

kd

icecold · 21 Mar 2013 at 16:32

azzaman+ said:
How is he a moron?

Hes built really well and seems to know his stuff? Are you suggesting that you are built better and are fitter than him?

Also there are two other youtubers I have watched. Yo Elliot! and Mike Chang I think.

Both of these guys seem to know what they are talking about.

Well I'm stronger than him by every possible measurement, and I'm also bigger than him. Not that either of those things are particularly impressive.

Seeming to know what you're talking about is significantly easier than actually knowing what you're talking about.

Don't know Mike Chang, Elliott is less of a moron than lots but is still frequently wrong.

Morba · 21 Mar 2013 at 16:43

I like Elliot. For some reason my boy hates him though, each time he comes on my youtube he's like "Not that Elliot, he's stupid"

azzaman+ · 21 Mar 2013 at 16:53

OK fellas.

THanks for the input.

If someone could be so kind though as to tell me whats wrong with the ab crunch machine i would be interested...

Seems to tick all teh boxes.. doesnt hurt spine, neck etc, and you can ramp up the weight...

What am I missing?

icecold · 21 Mar 2013 at 17:03

King Damager said:
The only two people who I would recommend blindly as people to watch on YouTube are Kelly Starret and Eric Cressey.

Being built well doesn't mean you know anything at all. Hell, look at Stoodles

kd

This is by far the most important point. Unfortunately, people are easily lead by image.

Morba said:
I like Elliot. For some reason my boy hates him though, each time he comes on my youtube he's like "Not that Elliot, he's stupid"

I thought he was cool until I started to learn about the nuts and bolts of everything. He really isn't that bad, but he's far from perfect.

Your son is a wise man

azzaman+ said:
OK fellas.

THanks for the input.

If someone could be so kind though as to tell me whats wrong with the ab crunch machine i would be interested...

Seems to tick all teh boxes.. doesnt hurt spine, neck etc, and you can ramp up the weight...

What am I missing?

You're thinking it's good based on some misguided assumptions. In fact, you don't even know why you're training your abs.

Read the links I posted about core training in the exercise guide thread.