Decline of computer gaming

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Well I just wanted to know on everyones thoughts about computer hardware and how it may be responsible for the decline now or in the future for computer gaming. Seems that to play todays games with decent settings you need cutting edge hardware, also the introduction of sli, crossfire, physics cards and so on mean more of a burden to the consumer. I know that you dont need the cutting edge tech to run games but without it games sure do run slow. Also looks like games today are relying to much on top-end tech and are poorly optimising their code so that those without huge wallets cant run their games well. Ahwell thats the end of my moan, What does everyone else think?? :confused:
 
I built my PC very recently and until then I had been on a PC I had purchased about 8 years ago so as you can imagine I had no idea how the latest games ran on the latest PCs.

Having now experienced this I can say I am disappointed. I spent £800ish on this rig and imagined it would handle everything I could throw at it on high resolutions with all the settings on high and while some games do, a lot of them don't, even some of the older games like C&C Renegade for example. BF2 is another.

Just weird.
 
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The last games I have bought were NFS:MW and GTA San Andreas so I'll admit I'm hardly cutting edge and in all fairness neither is my system but my main reason for a lack of gaming is due to limited time and funds to devote to it rather than any more intrinsic problems with hardware. A high-end(and by implication expensive) system has always been needed to play most games with a good detail level and I don't think that has changed. Again boundaries are being pushed in terms of the hardware required with larger and larger monitors but I would say mid-range systems are more capable of a wider variety of tasks than they ever have been before.
 
Well up until about 4 weeks ago, I was running all my games on a rather old system. True some of the effects had to be turned down but it still worked ok :)

If you think computer gaming is declining, take a look at the xfire homepage. There are around 25 MILLION minutes spent on games TODAY. That's just the top 10 too!
 
IwantanewPC said:
I built my PC very recently and until then I had been on a PC I had purchased about 8 years ago so as you can imagine I had no idea how the latest games ran on the latest PCs.

Having now experienced this I can say I am disappointed. I spent £800ish on this rig and imagined it would handle everything I could throw at it on high resolutions with all the settings on high and while some games do, a lot of them don't, even some of the older games like C&C Renegade for example. BF2 is another.

Just weird.

My rig in my sig btw.
 
I agree, for as long as I have known what a computer is you have needed pretty decent hardware to run the latest games with all the eye candy. However, it is not a grim a picture as you seem to think.

Firstly, SLi and Crossfire is for benchers. Seriously, very very few games actually gain any performance and that is marginal at best. The only valid reason I can think of for dual-gfx is very large display resolutions. But even then the latest cards are more than capable.

As for the PhysX card - that is nothing but a wallet busting piece of crap. Only one game is actually being coded to take advantage of the card and while it looks good it murders FPS. It is a fad that will soon, hopefully, go away as graphics cards get better.

SiriusB
 
As for the PhysX card - that is nothing but a wallet busting piece of crap. Only one game is actually being coded to take advantage of the card and while it looks good it murders FPS. It is a fad that will soon, hopefully, go away as graphics cards get better.
ssshhhh dont say that or potsey will hear you :D
 
Well, the other option would be to use a minimal set-up for internet use & use a console for gaming, I guess that would save a few £££. Although I bet over 50% of PC users use pirated games anyway woudnt surprise me, also using freeware software such as virus killers, firewalls etc.

Theres a few free games out there that are still quite addictive - Wolfenstein:ET for one.

Depends how much people are into thier computers who are willing to fork out hundreds of pounds on their hardware, some people blow it all on beer at weekends or other recreational activites, its all down to how much you have to spend & how you spend it.
 
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I think the "decline" may also be down to games consoles slowly catching up with PCs now in terms of graphics. Theres not an enormous gap between consoles and computers anymore (certainly not enough for someone other than graphics freaks to care about), whereas back in the day, there was.
 
There's still a massive niche market in mmorpg games in PCs. I know Xbox etc are catching up, but the market is still hugely in favour of PCs.
 
I dont think PC gaming is under any threat, nor should it be, with a console your stuck with that spec and hardware untill the next console a couple of years later, i want the best i can get now, not when Sony launch the next big thing. Since when can you OC a 360 or PS2!

Although its true, i dont think devs spend nearly enough time getting the most out of each current hardware as they do with consoles, but then they dont have to cater for so many different component types with consoles either.

I love customising stuff, its gotta look and act different to what others have (like peeps do with cars) Cant do that with consoles, ok you can, but only to a degree, and not enough for me. :D

Anyway like someone said above PC users have always had to fork out for the top end, or just to keep up. I would say i will probably never have a uber rig, not even close, but make the best of the hardware i have and i enjoy it all the same. I rarely use max AA or high res on my games cos they simply look good without it IMO. If you crave top end hardware but cant afford it, then i think comes the point where you start to doubt PC's.

\Gets pulled off soap box
 
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Foehammer2003 said:
I dont think PC gaming is under any threat, nor should it be, with a console your stuck with that spec and hardware untill the next console a couple of years later, i want the best i can get now, not when Sony launch the next big thing. Since when can you OC a 360 or PS2!

Although its true, i dont think devs spend nearly enough time getting the most out of each current hardware as they do with consoles, but then they dont have to cater for so many different component types with consoles either.

I love customising stuff, its gotta look and act different to what others have (like peeps do with cars) Cant do that with consoles, ok you can, but only to a degree, and not enough for me. :D

Consoles are great though. Especially when you have mates round. Having a console and two controllers is a damn sight easier than lugging your rig around to a mates house lol.

Consoles are also far far simpler to use. For PC enthusiasts its not much of an argument but Joe Average probably doesn't have a clue when it comes to top end hardware and the problems associated with it. Consoles dont go wrong very often at all, while a PC can cause its owner all kinds of grief lol.

PCs will always be the cutting edge of gaming, but as already said consoles are catching up.

SiriusB
 
True they are VERY accessable, and is a lot less grief, guess it will always come down to what you prefer, and probably be equal balance for both sides of the arguement.

EDIT: soz siriusB was adding to my last post whilst you were posting yours
 
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Foehammer2003 said:
True they are VERY accessable, and is a lot less grief, guess it will always come down to what you prefer, and probably be equal balance for both sides of the arguement.

EDIT: soz siriusB was adding to my last post whilst you were posting yours

I was a console maniac for years and years and years.. but I found that during college I played on it less and less and my interest in PCs grew. So now I am an avid gamer on PC.. although I do still play my console. SSX Tricky = best game evar :D

SiriusB
 
Cutting edge games are overrated.

Despite my new x1800xt im playing more Nintendo DS these days... damn animal crossing.

Think about... the most addictive and fun pc games are rarely overly demanding in terms of computer power (the sims, WoW) but the ones you put down after 2 weeks are always incredibly demanding (far cry, FEAR).

Mind you... oblivion makes having a cutting edge pc worthwhile for me. The cost of having a gaming pc is on the way up at the moment but think back to the dawn of 2d and 3d acceleration and youll realise its dropped in price a bit in the meantime. Consoles certainly are great but there is nothing like putting together your own bundle of joy and then frying the whole thing pushing it 1mhz to far. Consoles are just a bit to sit back and enjoy the view for me at times.
 
Decline in gaming? E3 had more pc games at it than previous years..and Sony released a statement yapping on about something, but also mentioning pc gaming growing again...
 
I don't think we're going to see a serious decline in computer gaming for a long time.
With the release of every new console generation the doom sayers have predicted with great gusto that "the end of computer gaming is upon us", because "the new consoles have much better graphics than the PC".

Whilst it's true the PC cannot compete directly with the new consoles at the moment for price/performance (although with the PS3 at £450+* the gap isn't that huge), what it can do is beat them hands dow in the diversity of the games available, the games themselves, cost of games (PC games don't have to pay royalties to MS/Sony/Nintendo to get published for the platform), and the fact that the PC can still do other things besides play games.

I'm using a machine that hasn't changed much in two years, the only major upgrade in that time was a new videocard last year (I didn't upgrade that when the rest of the machine was done), and it plays current games quite nicely, maybe not as well as a dedicated machine but good enough, and at a lower total cost than I suspect the next gen games machines will cost.


Remember when working out the cost of a games setup there are three main things to compare.
1: System
2: Games
3: Accessories

The Consoles can beat any gaming PC on system cost, in large because they are dedicated hardware (no need to worry about making it compatible with things like spreadsheets), but also because they tend to be heavily subsidised to get you to buy it.

This leads onto the games.

The PC for all we complain about the games being buggy tends to have the games much cheaper than the consoles - I can regulary get new PC games from about £18, compared to Console ones that normally cost £25 (GBA/DS) to £40+ (Xbox 360) from the same retailer.
This is in part due to the fact that the console manufacturers charge companies wishing to release games on their system a licencing fee, which adds to the cost of the game before it even leaves the replication plant, I beleive they also have stricter controls on how much retailers can knock off the RRP (not hard to do when you control all the replication of the games for the system).

Then we get to the accessories.
Traditionally to get any real use out of your £300 new system you've had to pay out for not just the system and the games but also things like memory cards (a great, not so little earner) to get proper functionality from the games/system.

All of thiis means that yes the PC is a more expensive up front outlay for gaming (and always will be, especially if you much have the latest greatest cards), but over the life of the system it tends to work out about the same, or even cheaper, especially if you buy a lot of games (and thus keep paying an extra tenner or so for the software, then another tenner here and there for the memory cards).


The one area where PC's cannot compete with consoles at the moment is in multi-player gaming where the consoles regulary have 2-4 people playing on a single screen - however that is in part because in the past it's not be cheap/easy to link the consoles together, now they are getting networking as standard I strongly suspect there will be less 2-4 players per console games :(
I see this as unfortunate as it is one of the consoles strong points (you could have great fun with your mates on a single system), and fear the companies will take the approach that "well you can still play networked games" (which would also let them sell more copies) :(


*I think it's meant to be.
 
SiriusB said:
I was a console maniac for years and years and years.. but I found that during college I played on it less and less and my interest in PCs grew. So now I am an avid gamer on PC.. although I do still play my console. SSX Tricky = best game evar :D

SiriusB

Oh hell yeah! Is just me or is Untracked THE closest you could actually get to freely snowboarding down the side of a mountain with that go anywhere feel! SSX 2 & 3 just didnt compare IMO
 
Foehammer2003 said:
Oh hell yeah! Is just me or is Untracked THE closest you could actually get to freely snowboarding down the side of a mountain with that go anywhere feel! SSX 2 & 3 just didnt compare IMO

Coolest bit of Untracked has to be where you jump out of a Chinook helicopter at the start :D The music for Untracked is great too. Only a shame the track itself wasn't longer :(

SiriusB
 
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