Denon AVR-2300X Replacement

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I'm looking to upgrade my Denon amp that I've had for a few years with something newer to pair with my Canon Movie 75 5.1 speakers

I was looking at the slim line one from Marantz (NR1711) for my cabinet but wondered if it was any good or are there better alternatives?

Mainly I have Sky Q and my PS5 hooked up to it. Only addition planned would potentially be an Xbox X

Any thoughts?
 
I'm looking to upgrade my Denon amp that I've had for a few years with something newer to pair with my Canon Movie 75 5.1 speakers

I was looking at the slim line one from Marantz (NR1711) for my cabinet but wondered if it was any good or are there better alternatives?

Mainly I have Sky Q and my PS5 hooked up to it. Only addition planned would potentially be an Xbox X

Any thoughts?
Might be worth holding off till amps start appearing with more than 1 2.1 hdmi socket.
 
Sorry, I like my sound but I'm not tech savvy on it - how would that benefit me?

What he means is if you have a console capable of the higher frame rates, and a TV that can accept those types of signals then if you want the AVR to be in the middle, then it too needs to be capable.

AVRs with a HDMI 2.1 socket are, but with only one such input socket, and the possibility that you'll have more than one signal source needing HDMI 2.1 compatibility, then a later generation of AVR might help you avoid awkward cable swapping sessions.

As for AVR-X2300 vs NR1711, they're aimed at two different markets.

The Denon has analogue power amp stages whereas the Marantz used Class-D (switchmode) amps to save size and heat.

At this level, Class D doesn't sound as good as analogue. Also, there's a big difference in the quoted power levels: 50W for the Marantz in stereo mode versus 95W for the Denon on a like-for-like basis.

The power reserve difference will manifest in a couple of ways immediately. First, you'll find yourself setting the Marantz volume dial much higher to generate the sort of levels you're used to listening at. Second , when the soundtrack of whatever you're listening to gets busy, then the Marantz will seem to cast a smaller cocoon of sound.

Your cantons are probably like most smaller sub/sat systems. The satellites have fairly poor sensitivity. This is the dB/W/m figure. This is also common to small bookshelf speakers too, so don't think of it as a failing in the Cantons. It's just a limit of small drivers. Large bookshelf/medium sized standmount speakers will have a sensitivity of something like 88-92 dB. Small bookshelfs; 83-86 dB. Smaller/lower-end sub/sat system satellite speakers will be anything from the low 80s down to mid 70s if quoted at all.

The important thing about sensitivity is it influences how much power the speakers will need. Every time the sensitivity drops by 3dB, then the Amp will have to output double the power to generate the same measured sound level. If we take a speaker at 90dB/W/m and give it 1 Watt of power, then measure the sound level at 1m distance from the front we'd get roughly 90dB on the sound meter. Swap out for a speaker at 87dB, and to get a measurement of 90dB would require 2 W. An 84dB speaker would need double the power again, so 2x2 = 4 W. An 81dB speaker needs 8W, and a 78dB speaker needs 16 Watts just to sound as loud as the 90dB speaker running off 1 Watt.

It's kind of perverse that entry level AVRs - the ones typically with least power - are partnered with the lowest sensitivity speakers.

I can't find a figure for sensitivity on the Canton 75 satellites whilst running off my phone. It's not quoted in the manual as far as I can see. They make buck the trend or they might follow the pattern. But either way, if you've been used to the power of the Denon, then things are going to sound smaller with a lower-,powered amp driving them.
 
Denon is 95W two channels driven, with all channels driven it'll be lower than that. If we look at the Denon 4200 claimed output is 125W, that's 2 channels driven. But real world output is 76W 7 channels driven.

So if you want rough estimate of real world power work out % less the Denon 4200 than using that to the Denon 2300. So something around 60W.

Yeah it's not ideal and sheer estimation but it's more real worl than 95W...unless can find proper bench tests of that model or from that 2000 range.
 
Denon is 95W two channels driven, with all channels driven it'll be lower than that. If we look at the Denon 4200 claimed output is 125W, that's 2 channels driven. But real world output is 76W 7 channels driven.

So if you want rough estimate of real world power work out % less the Denon 4200 than using that to the Denon 2300. So something around 60W.

Yeah it's not ideal and sheer estimation but it's more real worl than 95W...unless can find proper bench tests of that model or from that 2000 range.
One if my pet peves is that info like that isn't easily available, it seems all the ones I've looked at just tell you what it provides in 2 channel mose, however I don't know if it would be an equal distribution as your rears won't need as much juice as there less stuff going to them.
 
One if my pet peves is that info like that isn't easily available, it seems all the ones I've looked at just tell you what it provides in 2 channel mose, however I don't know if it would be an equal distribution as your rears won't need as much juice as there less stuff going to them.

True as sides/rear/heights aren't as demanding, but it's not really giving information out, I remember seeing all channels driven from a top end avr and you know what the power was? 35w per channel all channels driven!!!! AV amps are no way the power of older ones they're shoving too many amp channels into the same box, using class ab. So less power and more heat.

I would rather have more power than not enough.

That's why I haven't bothered with avrs for the main system.

I've gone for dedicated amps I don't have to be concerned about power...200w RMS per channel, all channels driven into 8ohm (or 300w RMS per channel all channels driven into 4ohm)
 
True as sides/rear/heights aren't as demanding, but it's not really giving information out, I remember seeing all channels driven from a top end avr and you know what the power was? 35w per channel all channels driven!!!! AV amps are no way the power of older ones they're shoving too many amp channels into the same box, using class ab. So less power and more heat.

I would rather have more power than not enough.

That's why I haven't bothered with avrs for the main system.

I've gone for dedicated amps I don't have to be concerned about power...200w RMS per channel, all channels driven into 8ohm (or 300w RMS per channel all channels driven into 4ohm)
I reckon most people will also sit closer to the reears than the fronts. I agree about it being better to have too much and not need it, but how much if enough. I've got a 2200 denon (essentially the older brother of ops:D) and I don't think I've ever had clipping, however we are typically listening at -30db.
 
I reckon most people will also sit closer to the reears than the fronts. I agree about it being better to have too much and not need it, but how much if enough. I've got a 2200 denon (essentially the older brother of ops:D) and I don't think I've ever had clipping, however we are typically listening at -30db.

My level is usually -10db but each movie is different
 
Wow you must deaf:p. I limit mine to -20 and apart from GOT don't think it's even been that high.


I think it depends on your room treatment and speakers.

I listen at reference which would be 0db (that is each speaker calibrated to a test tone of 75db via REW).

-20db is really quite low to my ears. It'd be a 55db test tone on REW and sound very very moderate, especially for a film.

The lower the volume, the less apprecitable detail and soundstage IMO.
 
To OP, I think your best upgrade will be a dedicated power amplifier or moving away from Denon/Marantz to a more audiophile appreciated product such as Arcam, Anthem but then you'll have to accept the bugs which come with them.

I've D&M very very average in everything they do WHEN compared to the more expensive boys.

I do not see a Marantz slim line AVR as an upgrade in any sense to a Denon; or really any full-fat AVR on the market. It lacks a lot of power.
 
I think it depends on your room treatment and speakers.

I listen at reference which would be 0db (that is each speaker calibrated to a test tone of 75db via REW).

-20db is really quite low to my ears. It'd be a 55db test tone on REW and sound very very moderate, especially for a film.

The lower the volume, the less apprecitable detail and soundstage IMO.
I thought the whole point is that the dB value is a comparison for different systems. Maybe my amp doesn't do it right. I can't test atm as it's not connected due to decorating but I could try and split meter on my phone and see what it says. I do have fantastic hearing, however all the family have no issues hearing at that level.
 
I thought the whole point is that the dB value is a comparison for different systems. Maybe my amp doesn't do it right. I can't test atm as it's not connected due to decorating but I could try and split meter on my phone and see what it says. I do have fantastic hearing, however all the family have no issues hearing at that level.

It's fine to hear but it won't extract all the detail you will at reference or close to it.

The DB value would be great way to measure systems IF the room correction softwares were good enough to calibrate accurately speaker levels. I always reccomend measuring yourself with a reliable microphone.

I've seen massive variations; denon usually at reference is 5db louder than reference.
 
It's fine to hear but it won't extract all the detail you will at reference or close to it.

The DB value would be great way to measure systems IF the room correction softwares were good enough to calibrate accurately speaker levels. I always reccomend measuring yourself with a reliable microphone.

I've seen massive variations; denon usually at reference is 5db louder than reference.
That might be but what's wierd is the differences between our setups, its not a few dB different, although a guy I work with has it higher than I do (but less than yours).
 
That might be but what's wierd is the differences between our setups, its not a few dB different, although a guy I work with has it higher than I do (but less than yours).


I use an Arcam, not a denon, although it shouldn't make a difference.
I also use external power amplification so my output at 75db test tone level is going to be much much cleaner than your Denon because there will be less distortion.
I've found what makes me turn down the volume on ANY device isn't actually the volume; its the level of distortion.
I realised this when I first bought a decent pair of headphones. AKG712s.. with a good power amp.. I could listen to at VERY high volumes.. DANGEROUS volumes and still enjoy them. My same cheaper headphones;.. no way.
A denon AVR doesn't easily drive speakers to reference without some compromises in the sound.


Get a UMIK and REW and measure up. Might be surprised, or you might not be and the Denon might've calibrated system perfectly mate.

Your hearing is going to last longer than mine at this rate so either way lol.
 
Thats all really interesting thanks.
I did notice about the power levels for the speakers and wondered what the difference would be; guessed they wouldn't be as strong.

I'll keep to my Denon I have for now as its set up nicely and the speakers sound a treat for all films and game thrown at it.

But I may save a bit more for a larger refresh as I'm thinking of one of the newer OLED TV's as an upgrade; most likely the LG OLED55C14LB which is from what I've read HDMI 2.1 with 120hz 4K and G-Sync with VRR and then the Denon AVR-X2700H amp which although has only the the 1 x 2.1 input, I can use that on the PS5
 
Thats all really interesting thanks.
I did notice about the power levels for the speakers and wondered what the difference would be; guessed they wouldn't be as strong.

I'll keep to my Denon I have for now as its set up nicely and the speakers sound a treat for all films and game thrown at it.

But I may save a bit more for a larger refresh as I'm thinking of one of the newer OLED TV's as an upgrade; most likely the LG OLED55C14LB which is from what I've read HDMI 2.1 with 120hz 4K and G-Sync with VRR and then the Denon AVR-X2700H amp which although has only the the 1 x 2.1 input, I can use that on the PS5

I'm glad you have decided to keep the Denon, because changing it would have made no difference at all to what you actually hear. If your really want a better "surround" experience, you would be better off changing your speakers. In all honesty, pairing a £600 AVR with a £40 set of 5.1 speakers was never going to bring out even 10% of the potential of your current Denon. After you have got your new Oled.........................look at changing your speakers, not the AVR.
 
I'm glad you have decided to keep the Denon, because changing it would have made no difference at all to what you actually hear. If your really want a better "surround" experience, you would be better off changing your speakers. In all honesty, pairing a £600 AVR with a £40 set of 5.1 speakers was never going to bring out even 10% of the potential of your current Denon. After you have got your new Oled.........................look at changing your speakers, not the AVR.

Cheers although not sure about £40 speakers as they were near £300 when I bought them from Richer Sounds a few years back
 
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