Difference between X470 TAICHI ULTIMATE and X470 TAICHI?

As above, the only real difference is the 10GB Ethernet, plus the Taichi (non Ultimate) seems to run cooler VRMs as the 10GB Ethernet controller adds a little heat apparently.

Taichi has 12+4 VRM, 12 phases (6 true phases with doublers) and 4 phases (2 true phases with doublers) which according to pretty much every review puts it at the top of the pack for VRM and power delivery.

The only real downside with these boards I've found is the BIOS can be a little overly complex and XFR I'd like to see some further options when it's set to 'enable', like an option of boost levels which I believe ASUS boards have.
 
the non Ultimate also has extra USB's. The 10Gb controller runs quite hot and not cooled very well (small heatsink hidden under the port shroud) the chipset "heatsink" is pretty hot too!

So year unless you really need 10gb then save £60.

I only got mine last month (my first ever ryzen) as I noticed a miss price on "Forest" and got it for not much more than the normal version
 
they are TRUE 12 PHASES... doublers simply connect two phases from PWM Controller, BECAUSE the PWM controllers can only HANDLE a MAX of 8 PHASES only, some are less!!!

example of this z390 Aorus Xtreme and MSI Godlike. Both have Fully digital 16 TDA21462 60A powerstage's, 2 of these are linked to one IR35201 (total of 8 of them) liked to IR PWM 8 channel controller.
 
orbitalwalsh said:
they are TRUE 12 PHASES... doublers simply connect two phases from PWM Controller, BECAUSE the PWM controllers can only HANDLE a MAX of 8 PHASES only, some are less!!!

example of this z390 Aorus Xtreme and MSI Godlike. Both have Fully digital 16 TDA21462 60A powerstage's, 2 of these are linked to one IR35201 (total of 8 of them) liked to IR PWM 8 channel controller.
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So in either cases of the Aorus Xtreme, MSI Godlike and the Taichi, none of these should really have much issue running any current or planned future CPU release with however many cores and at whatever speed the cores can overclock to?
 
KungFuSpaghetti said:
So in either cases of the Aorus Xtreme, MSI Godlike and the Taichi, none of these should really have much issue running any current or planned future CPU release with however many cores and at whatever speed the cores can overclock to?
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all should be fine, only issues that can come in the wiring of the phases/doublers- which landed asus z390 in some bother =/

taken from kitguru review of strix z390 itx
The summary is that it is most likely a 6+2+1+1 “virtual” configuration of VCore + VCCGT (iGPU) + VCCSA + VCCIO, 3+2+1+1 “actual”.

To even call it “6 phases” at all for the VCore is slightly misleading given there are no doublers at play but it really depends on how flexible the definition of a phase is.
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https://www.kitguru.net/components/...rog-strix-z390-i-gaming-motherboard-review/3/

doublers are a double edge sword, using 2 few , with poor quality and lead them to producing a lot of heat . GIgabytes entry z390 can do something like 70amps! but uses a lot of them to keep the heat down but are cheap units . in theory could have used off the amount with a doubler but you'd need a giant heatsink with 9900k running on it even though in theory could handle 350amps across the v-core
 
KungFuSpaghetti said:
Thanks @orbitalwalsh, looks like the Taichi wont have any bother at all running the alleged 5.1ghz 3850x with some all core overclock then
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x570 boards are slightly better then z390 boards, all I'll say on that matter :)

but yeah, if your going to push flagship ryzen 3000 then you'd only want the flagship board from each of the vendors - and maybe a mono block if ou've got the cash. Aorus 7 had the best heatsink on it , rest just aluminum blocks
 
orbitalwalsh said:
x570 boards are slightly better then z390 boards, all I'll say on that matter :)

but yeah, if your going to push flagship ryzen 3000 then you'd only want the flagship board from each of the vendors - and maybe a mono block if ou've got the cash. Aorus 7 had the best heatsink on it , rest just aluminum blocks
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I'm only planning on dropping a CPU in for next round of upgrades, don't want to sink anymore into this system until a new GPU that's not got wasted die space for RTX is released lol. I've got active cooling on my VRMs which tend to stay around 28 degrees when gaming... which I'm assuming is okay!
 
orbitalwalsh said:
x570 boards are slightly better then z390 boards, all I'll say on that matter :)

but yeah, if your going to push flagship ryzen 3000 then you'd only want the flagship board from each of the vendors - and maybe a mono block if ou've got the cash. Aorus 7 had the best heatsink on it , rest just aluminum blocks
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That's very interesting. I'm holding off for X570 for PCIE 4.0. Hopefully that'll future proof me for a little longer than an X470 board.
 
orbitalwalsh said:
X470 can be updAted to run PCIe 4.. but not sure what happens to other lanes and their bandwidth
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Can. Doesn't mean they will. PCI-E 4.0 is going to be a big selling point for X570, not sure how much effort board makers will put into pushing PCI-E 4.0 on previous gen models...
 
HeX said:
Can. Doesn't mean they will. PCI-E 4.0 is going to be a big selling point for X570, not sure how much effort board makers will put into pushing PCI-E 4.0 on previous gen models...
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interesting reads how PCIe 4.0 effects Infinity Fabric . based on Rome released data , could spell a nice boost for those with 1700/2700 not wanting a new chip but could squeeze out some performance going b550/x570
 
orbitalwalsh said:
interesting reads how PCIe 4.0 effects Infinity Fabric . based on Rome released data , could spell a nice boost for those with 1700/2700 not wanting a new chip but could squeeze out some performance going b550/x570
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Ryzen certainly has been keeping the CPU space interesting these past few years. Can't wait to see how it all pans out :D
 
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