Differences in Pay

Most of the IT departments in these big law firms are a mess, massive queues, bad level of support etc. I wonder why, its because they under pay their staff and expect their IT staff to do more work for less pay and they treat them like **** as well.
 
groen said:
Most of the IT departments in these big law firms are a mess, massive queues, bad level of support etc. I wonder why, its because they under pay their staff and expect their IT staff to do more work for less pay and they treat them like **** as well.
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The thing is, judging by other threads you have made about your work, I wouldn't hire you and if I did, you wouldn't be getting anything above minimum pay rises. Perhaps your managers have also realised this?
 
groen said:
I am moving to another site where I will be getting more money and a better salary but that is beside the point. I am talking about IT in general, not specifically my job.

I just think there should be some reward within IT for a) working for some of the biggest firms in the world should earn you more money b) actually acknowledging that IT are not just an expense and actually do contribute in more ways than one to service delivery; and as such should be rewarded directly for this.
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The reason why It is paid so little is because of the amount of people who can be hired. Supply and demand
 
Get some more qualifications/skills and become a specialist in an area. For example concentrate on setting up new offices for small independent specialist companies, doing all the IT infrastructure and software for a small manufacturing or oil company.

Get the skills that few others have and get paid more because you are in demand more.
 
groen said:
I am moving to another site where I will be getting more money and a better salary but that is beside the point. I am talking about IT in general, not specifically my job.

I just think there should be some reward within IT for a) working for some of the biggest firms in the world should earn you more money b) actually acknowledging that IT are not just an expense and actually do contribute in more ways than one to service delivery; and as such should be rewarded directly for this.
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i think thats all well and good, but please don't tell me you're supposed to be working right now :p
 
I have just got my second pay rise this year and moving up to third line support in may. So like i said, this is not about me specifically. I am doing ok i think. But I am just moaning about IT in general.

I was offered this job for one of the top law firms in the world with a turn over, over £1 billion PER YEAR and for what salary, pea nuts, compared to what they earn. I hope they get some worthless IT staff member who fails at every task.
 
groen said:
I bet you won't find any difference in pay between say goldman sachs IT staff members and IT staff members for some tiny office with a tiny turnover. Where goldman sachs makes billions per year and this little tiny office probably selling some crappy product lucky to break even or make a million. This is the exploitative IT pay that i am specifically referring to.

IT should be paid loads more working for companies than earn billions.

Maybe a better comparison would be a small legal practice and one of the top five in the world legal practice.I guarantee that IT staff will be paid the same salaries at the top law firms than at some little legal practice above a fish and chips shop.
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Definately not true, 4 classmates of mine have internships for their 3rd year Computer Science degree with goldman sachs and the pay is 33k for the year.

I'm doing the same job at a telecom's company and been offered 17k

The company does make a difference
 
Your attitude towards employment has consistently shown itself to be absolutely dire at best. You are virtually unemployable!

I remember you posting a thread about your consistent lateness and being shocked they were taking you to task about it. You should consider yourself lucky to have a job rather than whinge about how "unfair" your wage is.
 
To get an internship at goldman sachs you must know some people, so your friends probably went to eton and got some connections or something like that. For us lonely peasants we have to work hard for our salaries.

Based on my experience, working at some no name accountcy firm or one of the top 10 in the country, you might see a few extra thousand a year but nothing realy in line with the preportion of the size of the company that you work for. That is why small firms are often better for IT because you get paid the same and do less work.

These big firms have more staff members per IT support person and they definitely don't pay better.

But you are comparing apples and oranges. some telecoms support person and some IT support person are two different jobs. Telecoms support is like customer support and goldman sachs support would more technical etc.
 
groen said:
I am moving to another site where I will be getting more money and a better salary but that is beside the point. I am talking about IT in general, not specifically my job.
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There is an oversupply. Simples...

(And I would vent your anger towards IT contracting firms and the large companies who use them rather than employing their own. I think that businesses need some kind of tax disincentive toward using long-term contractors as opposed to employing).
 
I'll be brutally honest here.

There's two factors. First of all it's your skillset and the role you are in. IT guys are ten a penny, in my organisation even the senior ones are paid less than me, and that's supply and demand. You need to go to the public sector to find relatively high paid jobs where there's lots of people willing to do them.

The second factor, especially in smaller companies, is how well you manage to get pay rises from your employer. If you're not very good at it then your pay will stagnate - or you'll talk yourself out of a job. If you are good at it then your salary will increase.
 
When you took the job you agreed to work for that price. Maybe you just need to work on your negotiation skills.

Maybe they have a different contract to you, takeover or old contract that was better before you arrived?
 
It's a fact of life that some people will get paid more than you do. Instead of complaining on a forum you should be working hard to better yourself and in turn you will be able to get the pay you deserve.

If your posts on the forum are any indicator on how you act at work it's no wonder you are on the lower pay bracket. "eton faggot" not very business like terms for someone who is complaining about their wages.
 
groen said:
I just think there should be some reward within IT for a) working for some of the biggest firms in the world should earn you more money b) actually acknowledging that IT are not just an expense and actually do contribute in more ways than one to service delivery; and as such should be rewarded directly for this.
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a) why? Do you do harder work at a better business? No, they just employ more of you to share the load, what you do is exactly the same as at a small company though. Do you honestly think cleaners get paid more at Goldman Sachs than they do at a co-op?

b) You don't contribute though. You've been sat on this website not working but instead bitching about your colleagues.
 
Yea like i say things like that at work. Oh forgive for moaning about IT industry pay structure on an IT forum. What was i thinking.

Ill repeat, i have no problems with my job, i am not in need of personal job assistance of any kind. I am talking about IT in general.
 
A lot of IT roles are still overvalued in therms of salary if you ask me. A hangover from the days when you had to pay to get the limited talent that was out there. Now everybody thinks they can do "systems admin" and get 35k or more. There are some jobs in IT that do demand a high salary but a lot don't and are filled by people like the OP that moan that because they work in IT they should be on megabucks. Well that isn't the case. You are easily replaceable and somebody will probably do it for less money.

The second problem is IT is only really a business expense. Like another poster said its like the photocopier or the coffee machine. IT at our place costs a small fortune each year (millions) and provides no revenue.

I work in IT. My salary isn't half bad but I know that I can be replaced by somebody who will do the Jon cheaper and that nobody from top. Tass sees IT as anything other than an expense they can't avoid.
 
groen said:
To get an internship at goldman sachs you must know some people, so your friends probably went to eton and got some connections or something like that. For us lonely peasants we have to work hard for our salaries.

Based on my experience, working at some no name accountcy firm or one of the top 10 in the country, you might see a few extra thousand a year but nothing realy in line with the preportion of the size of the company that you work for. That is why small firms are often better for IT because you get paid the same and do less work.

These big firms have more staff members per IT support person and they definitely don't pay better.

But you are comparing apples and oranges. some telecoms support person and some IT support person are two different jobs. Telecoms support is like customer support and goldman sachs support would more technical etc.
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No i'm talking more software engineering in these companies
And no, none of them had any contacts to get the internships, they applied like everyone else, did assessment centers like everyone else.

You certainly have a very dull outlook on the world if you think everyone who has a better job than you has it because 'daddy knows people'
 
desires said:
a) why? Do you do harder work at a better business? No, they just employ more of you to share the load, what you do is exactly the same as at a small company though. Do you honestly think cleaners get paid more at Goldman Sachs than they do at a co-op?

b) You don't contribute though. You've been sat on this website not working but instead bitching about your colleagues.
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I do think cleaners get paid more at goldman sachs than at co op and I do think that IT contributes a hell of a lot more to service delivery and the business as whole than cleaners.
 
Generally I find that those who moan about pay in IT aren't really any good. When I used to be a contractor you'd always get permanent staff members moaning about the contractor's hourly rate or how nice their new car was. There is a reason that they are moaning instead of contracting, they have neither the balls or skills to do it themselves.

I don't mean to be rude but the OP has always come across as being a bit 'special' and I think DRZ has hit the nail on the head.
 
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