Differences in performance u12a vs u12s vs D15s what to get ?

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Differences in performance u12a vs u12s vs D15s?
I'm thinking of changing my heatsink before my CPU upgrade.

I have a u12s at the moment and I've been thinking of changing it to a u12s chromax just for looks, or a D15S/D15 chromax for both looks and performance, the only downside to the d15/s is the size and I want to get a smaller case. when checking I also seen online if I get a u12A I would get the same performance as the d15 in a u12s size
 
Heatsink's size and surface area always sets some limits for how well it can perform and smaller one has disadvantage.
Though there are other factors in effect.

While monolithic dies in center of CPU package prioritize contact in center, chiplet design CPUs with heat producing dies off center need good contact at big area.
And heatsinks with convex base optimized for Intel's concave heatspreaders actually suffer in that with convex heatspreader of Ryzens.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/cpu-heat...asures-now-at-amd-and-intel-rethink-basics/3/
So for modern Ryzens ideal cooler's base would be flat. (or grinded/lapped flat)
 
Heatsink's size and surface area always sets some limits for how well it can perform and smaller one has disadvantage.
Though there are other factors in effect.

While monolithic dies in center of CPU package prioritize contact in center, chiplet design CPUs with heat producing dies off center need good contact at big area.
And heatsinks with convex base optimized for Intel's concave heatspreaders actually suffer in that with convex heatspreader of Ryzens.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/cpu-heat...asures-now-at-amd-and-intel-rethink-basics/3/
So for modern Ryzens ideal cooler's base would be flat. (or grinded/lapped flat)
I dont know if Noctoas are flat. Out of these heatsinks would I see much difference in them?
 
You won't really see much in terms of real world performance although noise maybe a factor but generally noctuas are fairly quiet anyway.
 
NH-D15 / NH-D15S are some of the best cooling coolers on market.
NH-U12S is just one of many 4x 6mm heatpipe 120mm fanned coolers on the market .. all performing about the same.
NH-U12S Redux is same size as NH-U12S but has 5x 6mm heatpipes so coolers about 25% better.
NH-U12A still use 2x of the much better NH-A12x25 fans, is also thicker and has 7x 6mm heatpipes thus cooling much better too.
 
NH-D15 / NH-D15S are some of the best cooling coolers on market.
NH-U12S is just one of many 4x 6mm heatpipe 120mm fanned coolers on the market .. all performing about the same.
NH-U12S Redux is same size as NH-U12S but has 5x 6mm heatpipes so coolers about 25% better.
NH-U12A still use 2x of the much better NH-A12x25 fans, is also thicker and has 7x 6mm heatpipes thus cooling much better too.
Thanks doyll, I just wanted to confirm are you sure the u12s is 4 pipe not 5 pipe as it looks like it has 5 pipes and the redux looks like it has 4 and was meant to be the budget heatsink.

as for the u12a is it cooler because of the 7 or the 2 fans?
could I get better performance out of them if I used a better fan or would that not make any difference?

I was also a little worried about the size thats why I did not jump for the D15/D15s the height is about the same for all its just the width and depth, U12 models they all seem to be the same in size

D15
Height (without fan) 160 mm
Width (without fan) 150 mm
Depth (without fan) 135 mm

Weight (without fan) 980 g

Height (with fan) 165 mm
Width (with fan) 150 mm
Depth (with fan) 161 mm

Weight (with fan) 1320 g

D15S
Height (without fan) 160 mm
Width (without fan)150 mm
Depth (without fan) 135 mm

Height (with fan) 160 mm
Width (with fan) 150 mm
Depth (with fan) 135 mm

Weight (with fan) 1150 g

U12S
Height (without fan) 158 mm
Width (without fan) 125 mm
Depth (without fan) 45 mm

Height (with fan) 158 mm
Width (with fan) 125 mm
Depth (with fan) 71 mm
Weight (with fan) 755 g

U12A
Height (without fan) 158 mm
Width (without fan) 125 mm
Depth (without fan) 58 mm
Weight (without fan) 760 g

Height (with fan) 158 mm
Width (with fan) 125 mm
Depth (with fan) 112 mm

Weight (with fan) 1220 g

U12S Redux
Height (without fan) 158 mm
Width (without fan) 125 mm
Depth (without fan) 45 mm

Height (with fan) 158 mm
Width (with fan) 125 mm
Depth (with fan) 71 mm

Weight (with fan) 755 g
 
Think Doyll may have got the two switched around, the Redux is the 4x Heatpipe version, and the normal U12S is the 5 Heatpipe version.

Between the U12S and U12A, there is a noticable improvement, again as others have said, through it's thicker (extended width) fins and also has more Heatpipes attached to each fin on the stack, meaning more surface area to let the heat go. As well as being given 2x A12x25 fans which help dissipate heat quicker. Both combined is where you see the comparison of the U12A and the D15 for performance.

But there are catches in each area; noise, temperatures, pricing, size, etc.

The D14, D15 and D15S may be able to soak a bit more heat via the two towers and at lower comparable fan speeds, may appear to be better than the U12A. Whilst the U12A may need to have somewhat higher fan speeds to match up, the A12x25 fans also produce better airflow and less noticable noise vs the fans on the D15. So if you're after the least amount of noise, this depends on other factors then, like how sealed is your case, how much heat the CPU pops off, and how good your hearing is (are you using headphones?) etc. Obviously, if the CPU and airflow in the case is insufficient, then the U12A will lose in certain situations where the temperatures of the CPU it is trying to keep cool, is simply beyond the capability of what it can handle compared to the D15 due to more area available on them.

So the variations keep going around between the two. But the key thing, which is what you've already mentioned already, is size matters. Since the D15 is going to be trouble for your expected new case, the primary trait that'll need to be considered first is size. Given that the D15 and D15S will extend too high height wise, they should automatically be ruled out. This then really leaves: U12S Chromax (Cosmetic + Price for buying again for no further performance improvement), U12 Redux (Weaker perfomance + lower price), U12A (Better perfomance + slightly higher price + Noctua colours).

Of these three, getting weaker performance for less price, but still needing to pay, seems silly. So this should rule out the Redux. Grabbing the Chromax may seem an OK deal, but you'd need to be looking inside your case more than your display really to find the colours of the cooler to be important enough to replace an existing identical cooler for a differently coloured one. Each to their own, but if you have the money and like looking inside your case more than your display, then by all means, go for it. :) But since you're still going to need to change it later, then it seems kind of a waste of money more than anything. Then there's the U12A. Sure, it has better performance, but it's pricier than the other coolers. But if you're going to spend, you may as well get a bit more for the better performance one. Assuming it still meets the criteria you set out for it that is; It'll definitely trounce the D14, but the D15 and D15S will only get trounced, equaled or come close to depending on too many factors that vary (temps desired, noise, CPU power/temps, etc).

Since there's no direct competitor for the 120mm CPU air cooling tower that's competing at the same level, if you are going to reuse it anyway, may as well grab the U12A.
 
Thanks for the info.
To give you a better idea.

I'm not too bothered about the noise, I'm assuming it won't be worse than the U12S and the other fans I already have, if I'm wrong let me know
Considering they are all around 160mm in height its kind of even on this point.

im planning an upgrade to a 3700x/3800x which im considering overclocking but will depend on things later and is the main reason for looking at air coolers again.

I have a Phanteks primo at the moment and im hoping to get a lian li o11 evo when it comes out, lancool 2 maybe mesh, Fractal Design Torrent.
Things could change but that's what I'm hoping for.

I always try to leep the cooler as long as it will fit the case and noctua will provide the support brackets for anything new because after years they are still some of the best.

At the moment I don't really look inside my case (its on the floor) and im not too sure I would in the future but lian li 011 is glass case and a lot of new ones are so you never know, so I wanted to consider the option.

the other issue I see is the size of the heatsinks, I would need to have ram clearance otherwise it would be a pain to deal with later, ive not had a D15 before so Im assuming I would be shocked with the size when I get it.

I hope it won't be overshadowing the rest of the system
 
Noise My baseline is the U12S, Which at Max 22,4 dB(A) seems to be around the same as the others.
temperatures - I would like to get the best performance
pricing - I would be willing to pay a little more for performance but it depend on how much more I could get, I have time maybe I could get a bargain.
size - again I would like to go for the smaller option but performance does matter, I would need to have RAM and GPU clearance at least,

I noticed the D15 come with 2 fans the D15S comes with one, any performance difference ?
 
Those CPU's you're looking at can be handled by the U12A fairly easily according to Noctua. But as with all air cooling, that'll also rely on case airflow, so it's not just the CPU cooler at that point.

With regards to case and motherboard considertations for the RAM slots, the U12A is compatible with most (should be 100% but you never know with some motherboard designs) 4 DIMM slot motherboards, and "most" 6/8 DIMM slot designs. So if it's size + performance + future compatibility (that Noctua tries to make happen with every release), then the U12A should be your goal.

Noise wise, it'll be from the Noctua A12x25s, and they shouldn't be causing more noise compared to the S12 fans you have on the U12S. Even at 100% fan speed, as the sound profile is "better" on the U12A. Also, temp points for points between the two, you won't need anywhere near 100% on the U12A vs the U12S at the same temperatures.

Differences between the D15 and D15s will need someone more familiar with those. I only have the U12A so can anwer on that front more. But I imagine it's more to do with running hotter chips at higher fan speeds, or less hot chips at lower fan speeds (for less noise) as the primary difference. But you'll likely have trouble with many modern RAM kits due to the Heatsinks/RGB on them with the D15 and D15s.
 
Ill need to double check but it could be a F12 fan
I'm still finding it hard to choose, Both will be around the same price.

It's down to performance, size & looks
Size - U12A wins this any size by side comparisons or anything to give me a idea how much bigger the D15 is

Looks - D15 wins this, I could improve the looks of the U12A But I would need to replace the fans and get one of the chromax covers but that is an extra cost and I have no idea which fans would be best.

Performance
I don't know how they compare against each other
Any idea how much improvement I would get with a U12A v D15 over the U12S? how would you rank them?
 
Indeed, I goofed / switch the number of heatpipes per model. Good catch.
Ill need to double check but it could be a F12 fan
I'm still finding it hard to choose, Both will be around the same price.

It's down to performance, size & looks
Size - U12A wins this any size by side comparisons or anything to give me a idea how much bigger the D15 is

Looks - D15 wins this, I could improve the looks of the U12A But I would need to replace the fans and get one of the chromax covers but that is an extra cost and I have no idea which fans would be best.

Performance
I don't know how they compare against each other
Any idea how much improvement I would get with a U12A v D15 over the U12S? how would you rank them?

D15 footprint is 150mm wide by 161mm front to back with fans and weights1320g.
U12A footprint is 125mm wide and 112mm front to back with fans and weights 1220g.
Easy way to compare then is draw there footprint (150x160mm for NH-D15 & 125x112mm for NH-U12A) on stiff paper / thin cardboard and cut them out. Center of D15 base is center of 150x160 piece. U12A base is centered side to side with 64.5mm from back to center and 47.5mm center to front. You can lay them on top of current cooler with base centered over CPU to get an idea of their size.
 
Indeed, I goofed / switch the number of heatpipes per model. Good catch.


D15 footprint is 150mm wide by 161mm front to back with fans and weights1320g.
U12A footprint is 125mm wide and 112mm front to back with fans and weights 1220g.
Easy way to compare then is draw there footprint (150x160mm for NH-D15 & 125x112mm for NH-U12A) on stiff paper / thin cardboard and cut them out. Center of D15 base is center of 150x160 piece. U12A base is centered side to side with 64.5mm from back to center and 47.5mm center to front. You can lay them on top of current cooler with base centered over CPU to get an idea of their size.
Thanks, How do the 2 compare with each other? in the real world? im getting different results online

also ive seen a U12a priced at 35 but it has no fans, is it worth considering?
 
Thanks, How do the 2 compare with each other? in the real world? im getting different results onlin

It unfortunately all depends. Too many variables.

I let mine soak the 4930K for example with lower fan speeds and hit higher temps, but it still works. But that's after lower noise levels for higher temps on the CPU on the cooler.
I could alternatively have it at48C (25C ambient) with max case airflow and fans at 100%, not terribly noisey, but there's not much benefit to that. But it does keep the CPU exceptionally cool comparatively.

If you're trying to get the most performance out of a CPU as possible, then the U12A should be comparable to the D15 up to a certain point (I don't know what the point is however), but I imagine it's around one of those latest Intel 11k CPUs. Whilst the U12S will have failed long ago to keep the high end CPU going at full turbo speeds. If I were to give an estimate, I would say:

Latest CPU Power Hog (Intel 11 series K or whatever those power hogs are now these days)

100 = D15 will likely work but at max temps for turbo speed from CPU
94 = U12A "may" be able to run it at Turbo from CPU still but possibly not at max turbo speeds all day long (depending on circumstances).
82 = U12S will be able to run it at base speeds only. No Turbo or overclock.

also ive seen a U12a priced at 35 but it has no fans, is it worth considering?

Not worth it. The magic of the U12A is from the entire package, and that means including the A12x25 fans. And each fan is at least £25 each more, so that's £85 already, may as well get it new. Unless if you want to use alternative fans, which is viable, but you can't guarantee the performance then from the U12A.
 
It unfortunately all depends. Too many variables.

I let mine soak the 4930K for example with lower fan speeds and hit higher temps, but it still works. But that's after lower noise levels for higher temps on the CPU on the cooler.
I could alternatively have it at48C (25C ambient) with max case airflow and fans at 100%, not terribly noisey, but there's not much benefit to that. But it does keep the CPU exceptionally cool comparatively.

If you're trying to get the most performance out of a CPU as possible, then the U12A should be comparable to the D15 up to a certain point (I don't know what the point is however), but I imagine it's around one of those latest Intel 11k CPUs. Whilst the U12S will have failed long ago to keep the high end CPU going at full turbo speeds. If I were to give an estimate, I would say:

Latest CPU Power Hog (Intel 11 series K or whatever those power hogs are now these days)

100 = D15 will likely work but at max temps for turbo speed from CPU
94 = U12A "may" be able to run it at Turbo from CPU still but possibly not at max turbo speeds all day long (depending on circumstances).
82 = U12S will be able to run it at base speeds only. No Turbo or overclock.



Not worth it. The magic of the U12A is from the entire package, and that means including the A12x25 fans. And each fan is at least £25 each more, so that's £85 already, may as well get it new. Unless if you want to use alternative fans, which is viable, but you can't guarantee the performance then from the U12A.
Thanks mate, all of you guys have been a great help, I was thinking it would be similar, if that is the case I think the U12A would be a better option.

Also I wanted to ask would I need to worry about the ram clearance on D15

Again similar option on the buying the U12A Ive had 2 thoughts on it, because of the price I was thinking of buying black fans to improve the look but I was having 2nd thoughts for the same reason you stated, I dont know what performance I would get with other fans or what I would end up paying, the standard fans are not easily available and not cheap so ill leave it.

Ill see what comes my way,
if it is the difference of 94-100, My first choice would be the U12A due to the size even with the lack of colour and the D15 my 2nd option depending on the prices.

I've also seen a customer return model U12A complete £65 would that be a better option ? Is that more reasonable or should I just keep an eye out.

I dont need it asap but its a good idea of me to see what I would be spending
 
If there's a return that still has everything, then at £65, that would be a steal. But that'll of course depend on exactly why it got returned. If everything was in newish condition, then great. If there's flaws with fans or bent fins on the tower, then that's less of an issue (esp) on the fins. Fans as it's bought "new" you might be able to get exchanges for it, so that's all good too. But a bare tower only as mentioned before, is not really ideal. Those fans cost a minimum of £25 (and even then not always as I've seen them rocket to £33+ per) and when you buy them fresh, the price will easily go over a brand new unit.

I suppose you "could" grab the bare tower unit and then try with some excellent non-A12x25 fans like Arctic P12s or the Themaltake Clones of the A12x25 (Toughfan series) and try it on other systems if you have them (or even the existing system). Even if they won't get the same performance, it'll certainly get close enough. Although because its not proper retail I'm guessing, Noctua likely won't help with new mothboard mounting options. So there's that to consider too.
 
The thing with return model its from a large company similar to OC so I have also the option to return if it has any of the issues.

as for the other one I considered your option and left it.
 
With regards to case and motherboard considertations for the RAM slots, the U12A is compatible with most (should be 100% but you never know with some motherboard designs) 4 DIMM slot motherboards, and "most" 6/8 DIMM slot designs.
Second fan isn't quad channel compatible.
(without rising it higher)
DIMM slots are immediately outside CPU HSF clearance area and in quad channel platforms they're on both sides of CPU.

That's actually the reason why predecessor of NH-U12S, NH-U12 was physically bigger.
U12 was designed at time when motherboard chipset was literal chipset having second memory controller containing chip ("north bridge") and DIMM slots were farther from CPU socket.
With integrated memory controller and DIMMs moving next to CPU socket, that was then Slimmed down to smaller size with lot tighter fin spacing.
(same for NH-U14 vs. NH-U14S)
 
Second fan isn't quad channel compatible.
(without rising it higher)
DIMM slots are immediately outside CPU HSF clearance area and in quad channel platforms they're on both sides of CPU.

That's why I said it was "most" designs. I've got it installed on my quad channel setup without needing to alter the fan height at all on my Asus Rampage IV Extreme on both sides. So it does work, just not all, as others have had issues with other designs. But it's fine on mine here thankfully. :)
 
I dont know if Noctoas are flat. Out of these heatsinks would I see much difference in them?
Tweaktown says NH-U12S has flat base, while SilentPCreview found convex base.
Who knows if that's invidual variation from aimed convexity level, or change to Intel optimized base in between production runs.
But Tweaktown's NH-U12A review mentions intentionally convex base made to fit into dented Intel heatspreaders.

While that shouldn't be much issue with monolithic Zen(/+) at least with high mounting pressure deforming heatspreader over time, there's potential for suboptimal cooling with chiplet ryzens.
Igorslab has article about lapping Scythe Katana's base to flat giving major cooling performance boost.
And there's this:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-matching-or-beating-scythe-mugen-5.18902588/

So for best fit with Ryzens would certainly want flat cooler base or grind/lap it flat.
 
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