Dinosaurs are not real :(

RDM · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:29

bhavv said:
I think a lot of people here dont know what 'fundamentalist' means. I suggest you look the word up before calling me one.

Your dogmatic approach to atheism is akin to a fundamentalist religious belief. Whilst not specifically correct one of the beauties of the english language is it's scope to go outside of the specific definitions of words and use them in new ways. I would certainly not be the first to use the term in such a way and in this case seems to be quite apt. In short you are becoming like the very worst examples of those you so profess to despise.

nitram100 · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:29

I like what Ricky Gervais said on Twitter the other day

"If a scientist created another universe from nothing, explained it and showed everyone how to do it, Religious people would thank God."

Gilly · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:30

bhavv said:
Atheism is an absence of belief in supernatural deities or gods. This is not a faith, it is a lack of faith.

Wrong.

bhavv said:
And yes, every individual is born an atheist.

Wrong.

bhavv · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:31

RDM said:
Your dogmatic approach to atheism is akin to a fundamentalist religious belief.

How do I have a dogmatic approach to atheism?

I simply ask other people to prove their beliefs with solid evidence before I can accept them as being real. So far in many thousands of years, this still hasnt been done.

Gilly said:
Wrong.

Wrong.

Nope, they are both right. People arent born believing in god / religion.

RDM · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:32

bhavv said:
How do I have a dogmatic approach to atheism?

I simply ask other people to prove their beliefs with solid evidence before I can accept them as being real.

The clue is in the last sentence.

Gilly · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:32

bhavv said:
How do I have a dogmatic approach to atheism?

I simply ask other people to prove their beliefs with solid evidence before I can accept them as being real.

No, you do not. You get uppity when someone who has shown (unless I've missed it) no opinion either way (in Castiel) disagrees with what you state as fact. They you start swearing and branding their quotes and evidence as crap, because they don't agree with your statements.

bhavv said:
Nope, they are both right.

Wrong again.

bhavv said:
People arent born believing in god / religion.

First thing you've got right today

dirtychinchilla · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:32

Gilly, you are continuously wrong. How is there any element of faith if you are an athiest?

nitram100 · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:33

Gilly said:
No it isn't.

Yes it is.

'A' means without and Theism means belief in the existence of a god or gods.

So can you please explain how Atheism doesn't mean 'Without a belief in an existence of a god or gods'

Do you have your own dictionary or something with your own definitions and meanings?

Nitefly · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:33

dirtychinchilla said:
Gilly, you are continuously wrong. How is there any element of faith if you are an athiest?

Because you believe there isn't a god.

bhavv · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:34

Gilly said:
First thing you've got right today

Well that makes all babies atheists then.

Nitefly said:
Because you believe there isn't a god.

I do? What is a god?

RDM · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:34

dirtychinchilla said:
Gilly, you are continuously wrong. How is there any element of faith if you are an athiest?

Bascially it is a leap of faith to believe in Scientific positivism. "If science cannot prove it, it is not true."

Gilly · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:35

Nitefly, you ruined it

I was wondering how long they would accept me telling them they were wrong before they actually went and found out what they were talking about.

Yet again, bhavv, you have spouted off about something you appear to have no knowledge of. dirtychinchilla you have done the same.

Can either of you explain an agnostic to me please?

bhavv said:
Well that makes all babies atheists then.

Wrong again! On a roll!

bhavv · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:36

Gilly said:
Can either of you explain an agnostic to me please?

A confused atheist.

Though this is better:

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[2][3] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[3][4] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[5][6] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists, [6] [7] and with agnosticism which leaves the matter of existence open.[8]

Scougar · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:36

bhavv said:
I simply ask other people to prove their beliefs with solid evidence before I can accept them as being real.

This is the entire point. Faith is believing without having evidence. No one is trying to 'prove' beliefs in this thread from what I can tell.

Gilly · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:36

bhavv said:
A confused atheist.

Wrong, try again.

nitram100 · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:37

Religion requires faith, which is belief in the absence of evidence so therefore irrational.

Gilly · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:38

nitram100 said:
Religion requires faith, which is belief in the absence of evidence so therefore irrational.

Atheism also requires faith.

bhavv · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:38

Scougar said:
Faith is believing in something without having evidence. No one is trying to 'prove' beliefs in this thread from what I can tell.

Fix'd.

It doesnt take faith to believe in nothing.

Gilly said:
Atheism also requires faith.

Wrong, and many many more times wrong than I am.

dirtychinchilla · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:38

Nitefly said:
Because you believe there isn't a god.

I don't believe there isn't a god. I know there isn't a god. But why do I have to conform to a set of beliefs which are completely irrelevant to me. If I tell you that unicorns exist and you then tell me that they don't, it doesn't make that you're belief. It's knowledge...It's quite difficult to explain.

I think the error is in saying that everyone must either believe in one of the various deities that are around OR nothing. There's no question of me ever believing in a god therefore I could never disbelieve in it.

dirtychinchilla · 15 Dec 2011 at 17:39

Gilly said:
Atheism also requires faith.

faith in what?!?!