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DirectX 12 Requires New Graphics Cards to Utilize All Features

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Last week both AMD and NVIDIA were making the media rounds with the welcome news that Microsoft’s latest DirectX would be supported by current generation graphics cards. AMD has stated anything with their GCN architecture has native support for DX12 and any series released after NVIDIA’s Fermi architecture will have support the API as well. Today though we learned these graphics cards will have only limited support for the API, with key elements missing.
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http://hardware-360.com/directx-12-requires-new-graphics-cards-to-utilize-all-features/

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2nd hand link (with too many Currently's and a month old) for when you get to the original article doesnt even mention needing new cards.

Unless you can link to the original speech from Microsoft its a pointless thread.
 
I think it was to be expected that Microsoft would add new features that requires new hardware, it doesn't make the overhead/threading improvements for current cards any less worthwhile.
 
Afaik nvidia has full support of dx 12 with most of their cards from 400 series and up i think. The only thing missing support wise which needs a card is 2 features which arnt that important afaik so were not missing out on anything vital for the performance boost it should give.

Not really sure what the point this thread is for as this has all been discussed in other threads before. Also the thread title is misleading. You dont need new cards for all features. Only requiring new cards based on 2 small features which isnt that big of a deal afaik. The rest of the features which is what gets us "closer to the metal" will be supported in older cards.
 
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SkeeterUK said:
Afaik nvidia has full support of dx 12 with most of their cards from 400 series and up i think. The only thing missing support wise which needs a card is 2 features which arnt that important afaik so were not missing out on anything vital for the performance boost it should give.

Not really sure what the point this thread is for as this has all been discussed in other threads before. Also the thread title is misleading. You dont need new cards for all features. Only requiring new cards based on 2 small features which isnt that big of a deal afaik. The rest of the features which is what gets us "closer to the metal" will be supported in older cards.
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Also the thread title is misleading. You dont need new cards for all features. Only requiring new cards based on 2 small features which isnt that big of a deal afaik
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Your sentence makes the title completely true , You do need new cards for ALL features excluding two isnt all
 
SkeeterUK said:
Afaik nvidia has full support of dx 12 with most of their cards from 400 series and up i think. The only thing missing support wise which needs a card is 2 features which arnt that important afaik so were not missing out on anything vital for the performance boost it should give.

Not really sure what the point this thread is for as this has all been discussed in other threads before. Also the thread title is misleading. You dont need new cards for all features. Only requiring new cards based on 2 small features which isnt that big of a deal afaik. The rest of the features which is what gets us "closer to the metal" will be supported in older cards.
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No that was what Nvidia wanted you to believe in there slide show which was a little misleading if you never read it properly. They wanted people to believe that they have more cards that support dx12 compared with Amd which they don't. They have more cards that partially support dx12 than amd do. The fact is there's no cards out now that support Dx12.
 
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Afaik my 670 should be fine in dx12 due to the info currently released. If that changes down the line then well nothing i can do about it. But for now given the info it would work and is supported cept them 2 minor features that i read about.

Tbh if its true that we dont need new hardware then im glad. If it turns out later to be needed then well its a shame but im not gona upgrade as dont see the need really.
 
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Afaik my 670 should be fine in dx12 due to the info currently released. If that changes down the line then well nothing i can do about it. But for now given the info it would work and is supported cept them 2 minor features that i read about.

Tbh if its true that we dont need new hardware then im glad. If it turns out later to be needed then well its a shame but im not gona upgrade as dont see the need really.
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Nvidia cards don't support dx 11.2 yet its only some minor things that they are missing yet they can't claim to support it. How can they then claim to support dx12 with things that will be missing.
 
The same as DX10.1 worked on Nvidia but not in way it needed to do so to be Certed.

I think Nvidia showed the extra instructions being ran on the Shaders and to be DX10.1 Ceted it had to be able to do 2xAA with no performance penalty so basically a card may run DX10.1 but if it drops FPS with 2x AA added it will not be Certed.

I cannot remember all the details 100% and having trouble getting Google results.

AMD did support it though and the later refreshed Nvidia 200 series to OEM Nvidia 300 series did.

MS made DX10.1 an "all or nothing" Cert, they said they would not do so again.

I assume its the same for DX12, you can all the eyecandy on screen but some aspect will fail the Cert.
 
mmj_uk said:
I think it was to be expected that Microsoft would add new features that requires new hardware, it doesn't make the overhead/threading improvements for current cards any less worthwhile.
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Exactly no surprise here, I didn't think all the DX12 features would work on the current cards and would require a future update of hardware to get full use of DX12. The big question is will DX12 come to Windows 7,8 and 8.1 or will it be a Windows 9 thing only or a Windows 8.2 sort of update.
 
So people still on Windows 7 would need newer Windows AND new graphic card to get full dx12 support? What am I not surprised M$ :p

Wonder if they are trying to make dx12 a "one size fit all solution" to support xbone and their tablets as well got anything to do with this. We know how it went the last time they tried this (shoving Windows 8.0 and Metro in the faces of PC users). I also wonder if any of those so-called dx12 features are only for the benefit of Xbone and Window Tablets rather than PC :D
 
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