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MagicBoy said:
I'm well aware, thanks. I never claimed they invented GUI, I used the word "desktop" as in what would now be termed a desktop PC (ie not workstation or another specialist system as were common at the time).

Xerox PARC was a research and development operation. The Alto was an internal project and never launched commercially. If memory serves Xerox management didn't understand that they had and sent their engineers to work with Apple in exchange for some stock options if/when they went public.
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Not to sure how you can how a desktop GUI and a GUI are different things but I don't want to derail this thread.

I concede they were first to bring the GUI to the mass market in an affordable manor but it was not their innovation. Very little of what they do is innovative, they just execute better than everyone else.
 
HumbleCoder said:
I concede they were first to bring the GUI to the mass market in an affordable manor but it was not their innovation. Very little of what they do is innovative, they just execute better than everyone else.
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It's a bit harsh to hold the GUI against Apple. At the time of their visit to PARC Apple were a small hobbyist computer company who had only existed for three years. Xerox had been working on WIMPS for over five years when Apple saw it...

In the 80s/early 90s Apple learnt the hard way that developing innovative products without a mature market never made a huge amount of commercial sense. Products like the Newton or QuickTake camera were 5+ years ahead of their time.
 
MrMoonX said:
Did you really think about this at all before posting it :rolleyes:

or you could just right click or two finger click on trackpad and select eject, you dont have to drag to trash :rolleyes: clearly a failed troll attempt
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That was just one silly example. Can you justify the rest of it, how about the cost for example. You can buy a perfectly good windows 7 laptop with the same spec for half the price. That to me says it all.
 
Im in a similar position with the op, i think the main problems are with being so used to windows machines and myself using them since win 95 its very hard getting used to how simple macs work.
Just things like all the short cuts you need to re learn etc. As most have said stick with it, i love my macbook.
 
MagicBoy said:
Could you possibly be more ignorant?

Apple invented the desktop GUI as we know it with the Lisa and Macintosh. Windows was a very poor knock-off until they finally got close with Windows 95. Only took Microsoft 10 years...
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Did I touch a nerve there? I'm just saying in my experience of a Mac they are 10 x slower and 10 x more unintuitive than any Windows based system I have used. Would this change if I used it every day for a month, of course. But I don't have time to re learn how to use a laptop. It's just too frustrating when I can turn to a windows box and just get something done so easily and quickly. I see no gain in a mac. People's arguments are so weak for them. I love how people in Video/Graphics/Design swear by macs and when asked why they are more geared for this type of work reply "they just are". LOL Yeah, I bet they are.
Now before I get labelled as Mr tunnel vision and not open minded or liking to try something new. I use a variety of different OS's and love Linux for certain duties, but as a day to day system that integrates best and "just works" (as you mac owners like to preech) with no issues, for me it's windows all day, every day for corporate and home use regardless of task.
 
jaybee said:
Did I touch a nerve there? I'm just saying in my experience of a Mac they are 10 x slower and 10 x more unintuitive than any Windows based system I have used. Would this change if I used it every day for a month, of course. But I don't have time to re learn how to use a laptop. It's just too frustrating when I can turn to a windows box and just get something done so easily and quickly. I see no gain in a mac. People's arguments are so weak for them. I love how people in Video/Graphics/Design swear by macs and when asked why they are more geared for this type of work reply "they just are". LOL Yeah, I bet they are.
Now before I get labelled as Mr tunnel vision and not open minded or liking to try something new. I use a variety of different OS's and love Linux for certain duties, but as a day to day system that integrates best and "just works" (as you mac owners like to preech) with no issues, for me it's windows all day, every day for corporate and home use regardless of task.
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Well said! and let's not forget they are stupdily over priced... which no one can seem to justify.
 
Well why shouldn't we discuss mac vs windows in a thread about discussing..oh wait...mac vs windows. Price is a massive factor. It's like with a mac, your paying extra to be disappointed. You do get nice branding though for your money, which obviously makes it a much better product.
 
jaybee said:
Another strong argument for the mac there. Congratulations on that.
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I don't see how you can argue that Mac OS is "different for the sake of being different" when it's the first GUI that was created for a personal computer. It was groundbreaking and innovate.

Windows was the knock off that originally ran as a shell on top of DOS for 10+ years.

This will be where the thread degenerates and you start calling me an Apple fanboi, then invoke the Hitler clause as per all internet discussions. I won't bother replying, so please don't waste your time.
 
Buchanan0204 said:
Well said! and let's not forget they are stupdily over priced... which no one can seem to justify.
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Yes, because all mac users are complete morons and buy macs because they are shiny/cool.

Your post is just trolling.

If you don't like mac's don't come into the apple section, simple really.

[Get's back to doing productive things with his macs]
 
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MagicBoy said:
I don't see how you can argue that Mac OS is "different for the sake of being different" when it's the first GUI that was created for a personal computer. It was groundbreaking and innovate.

Windows was the knock off that originally ran as a shell on top of DOS for 10+ years.

This will be where the thread degenerates and you start calling me an Apple fanboi, then invoke the Hitler clause as per all internet discussions. I won't bother replying, so please don't waste your time.
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You are lecturing the wrong person on the history of Windows and Mac operating systems. Mac OS is slightly different now than it was when it was first made as you know. I'm talking about the now. As for Hitler and fanboy talk, I'm sorry you lost me there. Why would I call you a mac fanboy for liking a mac? Am I a windows fanboy for liking windows?
 
jaybee said:
I was under the impression that this was a forum actually and that we can post wherever we feel like. Most points have been constructive. It says a lot about macs when the arguments for them are as intellectual and constructive as:
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It's because this forum is often visited by bored apple bashers like yourself. Most likely upset by the fact that apple's general prescence is increasing at a somewhat rapid pace in the computer world. Your arguments and 'complaints' are tired and old.
 
jaybee said:
I was under the impression that this was a forum actually and that we can post wherever we feel like. Most points have been constructive. It says a lot about macs when the arguments for them are as intellectual and constructive as:
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Perhaps I have better things to be doing with my time then try and justify MY [highly researched and considered] purchases to some people who clearly don't have a clue?

This Apple Vs. PC argument rages every day across the world and to be honest I can't be bothered now to spell out my reasons for having a mac anymore.

Either way, I use XP/W7/OS X on a daily basis and am certainly more qualified to comment on the pros/cons of both systems than 99% of people.

What annoys me is that people brand people like me who have kit for valid reasons as idiots with money/fanboys or something equally ridiculous.

Now, back to the topic...
 
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