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joeyjojo

joeyjojo

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Had a pretty crap experience with linux so far. Main problem right now is none of my games work. I've tried to get wine to work with steam for two days now and no luck. I refuse to pay for cedega.

The filesystem is confusing. I just want a partition of data, is that so difficult? Why does it have to be mounted?

And why does firefox keep crashing? And a few times now the bars at the top and bottom have completely hung, leaving me unable to do anything. "More stable than windows" my ass.

Going back to xp I think. Nothing linux can do which xp doesn't do better. My x64 was completely stable, everything worked, never had a virus or spyware, and it was as fast a year on as the day I installed it.
 
Beansprout said:
You have to mount disks in XP, too :confused:
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If I want a drive of data in xp, it's right there in my computer. Apparently in linux I need to mount the drive just to put data on it. Say I want a certain app installed on a separate drive? :confused:
 
joeyjojo said:
If I want a drive of data in xp, it's right there in my computer. Apparently in linux I need to mount the drive just to put data on it. Say I want a certain app installed on a separate drive? :confused:
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I belive he is pointing out that XP automatically mounts the drives for you.

I would expect there is a script out there for auto-mounting but not being a Linux user, I couldn't say where I am afraid.

Rich
 
titchard said:
I belive he is pointing out that XP automatically mounts the drives for you.

I would expect there is a script out there for auto-mounting but not being a Linux user, I couldn't say where I am afraid.

Rich
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There are several programmes which will auto mount partitions in Linux included in both the KDE suite and in Gnome extras (IIRC). Kmount I think is one of them.

But in reality all you have to do is:

$ fdisk -l
(then look for the information about the partition you want to mount)
$ sudo gedit /etc/fstab

then add it in there!
done.
 
joeyjojo said:
Had a pretty crap experience with linux so far. Main problem right now is none of my games work. I've tried to get wine to work with steam for two days now and no luck. I refuse to pay for cedega.
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Most games are not usually designed for linux. Linux was never designed for games either really.

joeyjojo said:
The filesystem is confusing. I just want a partition of data, is that so difficult? Why does it have to be mounted?
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Your just clueless about it thats all. Drives are mounted in windows. They are also automounted in linux if it is setup correctly.

joeyjojo said:
And why does firefox keep crashing? And a few times now the bars at the top and bottom have completely hung, leaving me unable to do anything. "More stable than windows" my ass.
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Applications != The operating system, sure there are stability problems with many applications but there are hundreds of browsers out there to choose from.

joeyjojo said:
Going back to xp I think. Nothing linux can do which xp doesn't do better. My x64 was completely stable, everything worked, never had a virus or spyware, and it was as fast a year on as the day I installed it.
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Great.
 
The first thing people need to realise when testing out Linux, Unix, BSD or Mac OS's, is that they are not Windows. This is the biggest 'failing' of these OS's, users expect them to be windows, which they are very much not. :)
 
I've had pretty crap experience with Windows so far. Main problem right now is none of my linux applications work. I've tried to get Evolution to work for two days now and no luck. I refuse to pay for Outlook.

The filesystem is confusing. I just want to access my files, is that so difficult? Why do I have to click so many buttons just to look at my system folder?

And why does firefox keep crashing? And a few times now the bars at the top and bottom have completely hung, leaving me unable to do anything. "More stable than linux" my ass.

Going to stay on linux I think. Nothing Windows can do which linux doesn't do better. My linux installation is completely stable, everything works, never had a virus or spyware, and it is as fast as the day I installed it.

:p

Hey, if Windows works best for you, then stick with it. As Dj_Jestar said, Linux isn't Windows, and you shouldn't expect it to be. You shouldn't expect an operating system to be able to run applications [games] that were never designed for it - no matter how many people are trying to provide a solution/workaround. Just dual-boot - it's what the sensible people do :D.
 
The companies (Gates etc..) are the ones to blame for the luck of driver support that make the transition even more diffucult. For example, my X1900XTX works at 30% performance and my X-FI doesnt work at all. hehe. Well life is tough, thats why none survived yet :D
 
drak3 said:
The companies (Gates etc..) are the ones to blame for the luck of driver support that make the transition even more diffucult. For example, my X1900XTX works at 30% performance and my X-FI doesnt work at all. hehe. Well life is tough, thats why none survived yet :D
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It's tough when the larger slice of the money pie is Gate's.
Everything comes down to money to be honest - at least from a marketing and consumers point of view.

If more people turn Linux, I'm sure the slice of the pie will look more appealing to corporate companies like ATi (as the example above).

What they need is some kind of push like what Apple is doing with OS X and their hardware. It is "cool" to be different type (I'm not here to make this into an Apple Vs Linux, don't go down that way please.) however, it's not making a big dent into Microsoft's dominance.

/2 cent.

Anyway, Joeyjojo, you might want to play around more with linux, like many have said above, each OS have their limitations and their good points. Just because Linux can't do what you want, don't mean it is crap.

Perhaps Windows is what you are more used to, and better for gaming, then stick with it. You don't have to change to join the trend...
 
I agree with the trend of answers the other linux users have given so far, it boils down to you not knowing what your doing because you are new to it which is completely understandable as well as you trying to compare linux to windows in every way, linux is NOT windows so don't expect it to behave like windows.

The big problems are that the majority of users use windows not linux based systems which is why most games and software are not designed to cater for linux users, why design and sell software geared towards a 20% usage market?

Linux/MacOSX will never be as popular as windows because it requires more adept computer knowledge than a windows system to use. Windows is a matter of click click and your done, unlinke UNIX based systems.

I am fairly new to linux myself having dabbled with it 3 or 4 times in the past and each time I did what you did compared it to windows and faulted linux in the areas it did not match to windows causing me to revert back to it. However recently screwing up my windows partition and not being able to find the CD I am now resorted to use linux because the best thing about it is it's free! and Vista will definately not be seeing my money because the licencising and pricing is ridiculous.

Linux does excel in areas of development being completely open source, stable for running servers and ideal for programmers it's actually quite fun to use so far and I am getting quite used to it, especially with the distro I'm using being Ubuntu, there is so much community support and helpful docs.

Games are a problem for me too but I haven't even looked at WINE yet ;)
 
Clarkey said:
problem is not with linux here, its that you dont know what you're doing.
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Dj_Jestar said:
The first thing people need to realise when testing out Linux, Unix, BSD or Mac OS's, is that they are not Windows. This is the biggest 'failing' of these OS's, users expect them to be windows, which they are very much not. :)
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Dj_Jestar said:
You've officially reached Nirvaná when you fault Windows for not performing like Linux/MacOS/BSD. FACT :cool:
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Quoted for the truth :)

So many people just expect linux/unix & even OSX to be windows. Altho maybe the fact so many are making linux look like windows is the main problem and promotes this idea??

I think once u get used to them, you realise just how bad windows is and instantly become enlightened.
 
Augmented said:
I've had pretty crap experience with Windows so far. Main problem right now is none of my linux applications work. I've tried to get Evolution to work for two days now and no luck. I refuse to pay for Outlook.

The filesystem is confusing. I just want to access my files, is that so difficult? Why do I have to click so many buttons just to look at my system folder?
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1) Try Thunderbird.

2) Windows filesystem is confusing?? :confused:

Open up My Computer. There is a list of all the drives or partitions. Open one, it takes you to the root of that drive. Everything goes from there.

Linux/UNIX - ZOMGWTF? Folders and mount points and jazz all over the shop. Confusing as hell. All the drives are accessed from a folder within another folder. Where is that? On a drive?

No, maybe I'm just thick (or too young to have ever used UNIX) but the MS way seems much more intuitive and sensible.

Windows may have to mount drives, but it (99% of the time) does it automatically without any fuss or user interaction. Easy.
 
Mr.Clark said:
1) Try Thunderbird.

2) Windows filesystem is confusing?? :confused:

Open up My Computer. There is a list of all the drives or partitions. Open one, it takes you to the root of that drive. Everything goes from there.

Linux/UNIX - ZOMGWTF? Folders and mount points and jazz all over the shop. Confusing as hell. All the drives are accessed from a folder within another folder. Where is that? On a drive?

No, maybe I'm just thick (or too young to have ever used UNIX) but the MS way seems much more intuitive and sensible.

Windows may have to mount drives, but it (99% of the time) does it automatically without any fuss or user interaction. Easy.
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1. Get a sense of satirical humor :p
 
Thanks for all the replies guys - I guess it takes 24 hours to get any interest :)

Opening post was written when I was particularly angry about again failing to get cs:s working in wine, then cedega having a hard time when it's meant to be good with source. I didn't mention any of the good things about Linux; there are loads, it does a lot of things better than xp.

Yes, it's understandable that games don't work. After all, they're not meant to :D

The filesystem thing would probably be easy to figure out given time. I had the weekend playing with it and learnt a lot actually, much less noobish than when I first installed it. Maybe I didn't take the time to understand the documentation on mounting (confusing). It would be so much easier if they just told you right at the start that your bits go in home, and where to put other things.

Clark and mortals, don't say either are better/crap. It's just not true. I particularly dislike anti-windows talk when it's just jumping on the "bashing MS" bandwagon. XP is a really good OS. If you have problems with viruses/crashes/spyware you're treating it badly. I found that with linux for the first few hours. I'd cause things to crash by being too rough or impatient for example (rough is the best word I can think of).

Lol at Jes with the pro-linux talk :rolleyes:

Augmented, nice post :D

As we're all agreeing here (except for those biased opinions), use the best OS for your needs. As I (sadly) require games, it's windows for the moment. I much prefer the ideals of Linux though. Hopefully they will continue gaining support :)
 
I don't agree that XP is the turd some of you make it out to be; I like it, eventhough it's bloated, easy to fill with spyware and virii, and slower than Linux :D

Seriously Windows does have its strengths and so does Linux- it does take some getting used to. I have just switched from Windows (Only use it on my work lappy now) to Ubuntu, and I intend to stay there... Yes Linux is different and when I tried it for the first time a couple of weeks ago it took me a while to get to grips with but it is worth sticking with :)
 
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