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Ok so OCUK have been as good as gold. Explained the whole situation and they are refunding the board and mobo for me to send back and a new one will be here tomorrow.
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Disappointment with Ryzen and Bios
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I must admit, I'd be tempted to ask for another PSU as well.
As others have noted, XFR. It's a rather savage boost for 1-core tasks that makes mine shoot up as far as 1.525v. AMD claim this is normal and safe, and to be fair, it is only for short bursts, but it does pump the peak power draw quite a lot. Most of the time, including in multi-threaded loads, it's down at the same stock voltage and power draw, but if that 30w makes a difference to a small PSU, then you need to know about it
That does seem like quite a lot of voltage for the 1700 my 1950x tops out at about 1.44 volts using xfr for a 4.1/4.15 boost on 2 to 4 cores. I have never seen 1.5 yet and I have done a serious amount of watching.
As others have noted, XFR. It's a rather savage boost for 1-core tasks that makes mine shoot up as far as 1.525v. AMD claim this is normal and safe, and to be fair, it is only for short bursts, but it does pump the peak power draw quite a lot. Most of the time, including in multi-threaded loads, it's down at the same stock voltage and power draw, but if that 30w makes a difference to a small PSU, then you need to know about it
Even 2 cores under XFR clocks and voltage don't come close to all cores at lower clocks.
That is simply not true and is something you have made up on the spot. TDPs are just discrete in nature.
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Add the package power consumption and you go above 65W. So a 65W cooler won't be adequate. Next level up is 95W.
TDP is intended to help OEMs design cooling solutions for chips.
1800X below, once you add package power is only a bit below the 95W TDP. But 2 core XFR is not even close to the TDP.
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Usually but not always, some have different speeds set on the SPD.
I.E, the Corsair LPX 3200 I have won't POST at XMP 3200 in my Aorus X370 Gaming 5, but will POST at default 2133MHz and at higher clocks. By contrast my Team Group Elite 2400 won't POST at all because the SPD has a default of 2400.
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They are swapping PSU and mobo
Reading around online, it turns out to be quite normal for the 1600x and 1800x :/ There are a few AMD statements on forums and reddit saying not to worry about it spikes into the 1.4-1.5 range with these chips. AFAIK, Threadripper uses cherrypicked dies, so probably doesn't need the same voltage kick. Speculation; they may also have refined XFR in Threadripper in general and realised it never needed 1.5v ever.
That said, I only know about 1.5+ because of HWiNFO's min/max tracking. These really are very short spikes. Most of the time, single-thread boosts are running around the 1.45 range. Still a lot, but not quite as severe.
Consider me re-educated
Although I'd like to point out I'm not the only person to have the wrong idea about it, so I haven't made it up on the spot, I've just read misinformation somewhere on t'internet and passed on the fallacy 
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IT LIVES !!!! new mobo and psu fitted and it fired up straight away. Windows is installing now. no idea if it was the PSU or the Mobo but the new PSU is much quieter so going with the PSU.
Always worth firing up a new system outside of case (with proper static and conductive protection) before spending time installing in a case and doing lots of cable routing just to find it won't post
A PSU tester is also a very handy and not too expensive piece of kit to have when putting a system together
A PSU tester is also a very handy and not too expensive piece of kit to have when putting a system together
Awesome news, glad you're finally up and running!
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Up amd running for a week or two now and so fsr so good. I find bench mark performance a bit shoddy compared to my intel setup. However in game its very good. Strangely in Vegas (video editing software) i can get my usage above 75% on all threads but its still quick. Much quicker than my i7 rendering video. Also silky silky smooth on live view editing. Massive win over the i7. In games its about the same as the i7 4790k to be honest.
It runs hot 75c stock but i have a very small case with poor airflow (node 202) with a cryorig c7 cooler so its not a optimum setup at all. It idles warm 45c but again such a small case. The only game i have found it does not like is rust. Its unstable and does not alway load. Maybe nothing to do with cpu but will try reinstalling it.
Boot times are good but bios takes longer to load than the intel counterpart so complete boot time is a few seconds slower.
Overall im impressed. It feels fast, runs games well and renders video like an absolute boss. Supprised how much it makes use of the cores actually i got a load of about 65% on 10 threads in gta5 with the 980ti locked at 99% at 4k res. Holding a steady 60fps on high settings mostly. Of course the 980ti cannot go very high or ultra at 4k but the cpu did not sweat.
So i will take back my dissapointment and blane it on some dead on arrival hardware and say its a better alrounder than my i7 for me peraonally as it games 99% as good and renders video much better. At a fraction of what my 4790k or equivelent would cost today.
It runs hot 75c stock but i have a very small case with poor airflow (node 202) with a cryorig c7 cooler so its not a optimum setup at all. It idles warm 45c but again such a small case. The only game i have found it does not like is rust. Its unstable and does not alway load. Maybe nothing to do with cpu but will try reinstalling it.
Boot times are good but bios takes longer to load than the intel counterpart so complete boot time is a few seconds slower.
Overall im impressed. It feels fast, runs games well and renders video like an absolute boss. Supprised how much it makes use of the cores actually i got a load of about 65% on 10 threads in gta5 with the 980ti locked at 99% at 4k res. Holding a steady 60fps on high settings mostly. Of course the 980ti cannot go very high or ultra at 4k but the cpu did not sweat.
So i will take back my dissapointment and blane it on some dead on arrival hardware and say its a better alrounder than my i7 for me peraonally as it games 99% as good and renders video much better. At a fraction of what my 4790k or equivelent would cost today.
Good to hear you've got it settled Ryzen has its quirks, but it's also quite a powerful bit of kit at a really good price point.
If I have a personal disappointment, it's as per the title of this thread; bios. It's not very clear why some features (e.g. p-state overclocking) are theoretically available, but denied to us by some manufacturers. One to remedy with Zen 2, perhaps. The boards are the cheapest part of the setup anyway
Ryzen has its quirks, but it's also quite a powerful bit of kit at a really good price point. If I have a personal disappointment, it's as per the title of this thread; bios. It's not very clear why some features (e.g. p-state overclocking) are theoretically available, but denied to us by some manufacturers. One to remedy with Zen 2, perhaps. The boards are the cheapest part of the setup anyway
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as Gigabyte rep mentioned on here and i think few of OCUK staff from time to time, when they buy their stock, if could be days or weeks or even months before a new BIOS or product is released. Maybe all vendors should have had the hind site to know the chips were coming but maybe AMD didn't release everything they needed.
OCUK could have flashe dit but if you'd seen an open product- first thing is anyone would be on the phone demanding why- then add together the fact god knows how many boards they have from all the vendors .
think a member on here was going to buy a b350 and was told by rep it might not work but could be flashed by themselves
OCUK could have flashe dit but if you'd seen an open product- first thing is anyone would be on the phone demanding why- then add together the fact god knows how many boards they have from all the vendors .
think a member on here was going to buy a b350 and was told by rep it might not work but could be flashed by themselves
To be fair, if my motherboard's box had been opened, but there was a note saying "Updated to bios <version> by OCUK on <date> because the release version is not compatible with the purchased CPU" then I'd be happy with it
The Crosshair VI Hero is delivered without seals anyway.
A quick side query, how you finding that MOBO? I@m looking at it for myself. BIOS easy to use? RAM out of the box 3200 speeds or tinkering needed to get that?
I really like it. One step OC using P-states (just need to google hex-dec convertor), memory now at 3200 c14 and stable. I use Bios 9920. I have had this board since April.
The Bios is typical ASUS ROG which means it can be overcomplicated, but there is a switch for everything, 90% of which you may never use.
I had one issue which was a duff CMOS battery, however since that was discovered and replaced, nothing else has gone awry.
I use Memory boot 1.4V, Vmem 1.37V, and Vcore is set at 1.22V at 3.6GB all cores. Not a massive OC but I will increase it if needed which currently it is not.
Nice to see the CH6 supports DRAM boot voltage. I'd been deciding between the CH6 and TaiChi and actually decided on the TaiChi. Does anyone know if the latter also supports memory boot voltage or not? I may have to make a dedicated thread or ask 8Pack in one of the related threads, but it's worth asking here first. Cheers.