Discussing Cultural Difference is Taboo?

[semi-pro waster]

if your english and proud of your culture you derided as racist and mocked to prove what your culture is by most on here.

Do you not think it may have something to do with how you express your pride? If you have some definition of pride that involves deriding other cultures and claiming your culture is better then sure, you might be called a racist.

Plenty of people seem to manage to be proud of their culture without making themselves appear racist, perhaps it's worth questioning why this is.

But hey at least grooming of young girls is not part of british girls hey?

I'm going to assume you mean not part of British culture here and no it's not but then again nor are the actions of a few necessarily representative of the many. It's a daft extrapolation of the kind that is shown when you take the actions of one person and apply it to the whole grouping they belong to.

 

[Mucky_Pup]

I don't understand how still allow tens of thousands of non-EU/EEC people.

How on an earth do all the kebab workers, Chinese, curry restaurant works even get a visa?

I open my arms for the foreign doctors and skilled engineers but how have we gotten into a situation where we need foreign petrol station assistants?

Because we have an increasing ****less domestic population, more interested in taking all they can get and what they're "entitled to" rather than contributing anything. We've got to be onto at least third generation long term unemployed by now, and it's not going to get any better, it's a self perpetuating cycle.

We have unskilled and low skilled jobs that anyone with an ounce of sense could do relatively easily, going to foreigners for no good reason, other than they've got the pride to do it and are willing to do it for what's offered. Why should we be importing people from foreign lands to be office cleaners? Doctors and Engineers I understand, they're professions which take years to train for so aren't easily replaced at the drop of the hat so you need imported labour to fill gaps and why not exploit that avenue of being able to import people who've had all they're training elsewhere, but low skilled jobs are going to foreigners, because they're willing to do them, over British people, for whatever reason, be it the ever increasing; "that's jobs beneath me" attitude, or the "I'll get my benefits taken off me if I do more than 16 hours", or "If I do a 37 week I'll get a just fraction more than the current benefits I get, so I'll just stay on benefits". It's that attitude that unless it's changed, won't change the employment situation in this country in where you've got foreigners filling in for British people, but nothing will happen, because it would be political suicide to clamp down at the level that would be needed to rectify it, not to mention probabley against any number of EU laws about free movement through the E.U. etc.

In contrast try saying to the Australian or American government that you want to emigrate to their country to become a toilet cleaner or a burger flipper, and see what the say, I'd imagine the last word of the two word sentance would be... off! Say you have a First class BEng or Masters in Structural Engineering, or an M.D. and it might be a different story (I know it's not as straight cut as that and you usually already need an offer of employment to move there, but the prinicple remains the same.) I know that America has a lot of immigrants working low skilled jobs same as us, and complain about "Mexicans stealing jobs" etc. it's not too disimilar to our situation, but I'd still say our problem lies more with over-generous benefits system and a vile culture of "want, deserve, and entitled to" from the local populace, not to mention the fact that free movment around the EU is afforded with no real classification of workers, or vetting process ala Australia/Canada's points/credit based system.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

if your english and proud of your culture you derided as racist and mocked to prove what your culture is by most on here.

But hey at least grooming of young girls is not part of british girls hey?

Are you being ironic? You're talking about being English but are clearly incapable of speaking it. You're going for the irony angle, right? Please say yes.

 

[UncleRuckus]

If mutliculturalist want it to work they need to except that not everybody wants to be a part of it and allow those people to live freely with their own if they wish.

 

[arknor]

For example there are Asian people in the UK who do not speak English, who do not interact with anyone outside their immediate family. How can that be a good thing for them or everybody else in the UK?

loads of them at my kids school , the persons child will translate for them if the teacher ever tries to speak to them


i guess it takeas a few generations before they will blend in with the rest of the mix

 

[Twirlywoos]

You guys sure do like pretty words, but they have no meaning unless you explain it.

What do you mean by British culture and British heritage which conflicts with those from another descent?

Personally I think the National Anthem should be changed, because judging by the majority there is no God and you don't want to follow God's rules willingly so who will save the Queen?

Foreigners like living in their communities, as they feel safe and secure. If you put them in an English neighbourhood they wouldn't even speak to their neighbours or have a feeling of community spirit.

 

[Devrij]

You guys sure do like pretty words, but they have no meaning unless you explain it.

What do you mean by British culture and British heritage which conflicts with those from another descent?

Personally I think the National Anthem should be changed, because judging by the majority there is no God and you don't want to follow God's rules willingly so who will save the Queen?

Foreigners like living in their communities, as they feel safe and secure. If you put them in an English neighbourhood they wouldn't even speak to their neighbours or have a feeling of community spirit.

Absolute horse poop. There are plenty of asian people that are part of British communities. I'm guessing they were at one time "foreigners".

Obviously, if you've recently immigrated and have no clue what to do, a community of people who share your culture and language will seem like the safest place to stay, but we need to encourage them to move on from there and become part of our culture.

I lived in LA for a long time, and it's easy to see how multiculturalism in the form of (naturally) segregated communities leads to discrimination and a huge disparity of wealth. When you start seeing billboards in different languages based on location, you'll see that we're on our way there. It's not good for anyone. Integration needs to be encouraged or we will end up with ghettos.

I'm all for people of different cultures becoming part of ours, but I don't believe in letting them create their own demise by isolating themselves. I don't, however, have any idea how you start doing that in a fair way. Perhaps the issue is that too many immigrants are allowed in too quickly before the rest can integrate, forming pools of new arrivals, or perhaps there aren't strong enough incentives to diversify? I don't know.

 

[ilcp]

But hey at least grooming of young girls is not part of british girls hey?

no but paedophilia, rape, sexual assault is... link? read the news/crimewatch and you will see many examples of "british" (by your standards) committing these crimes...

so well done.. you dont groom young girls, you just take it to the next level...

 

[ilcp]

if your english and proud of your culture you derided as racist and mocked to prove what your culture is by most on here.

But hey at least grooming of young girls is not part of british girls hey?

PS> it is a fact that immigrants who have been taught English in their home countries are better than people who are taught English in this country. Case in point, your post.

 

[The Halk]

if your english and proud of your culture you derided as racist and mocked to prove what your culture is by most on here.

No, if you're English and proud of your culture then in my opinion that's a good thing.

I think where the confusion lies is that if you're also posting lots of thinly veiled ignorant racist rants, and you can't see that there's a mass of unemployable young fools out there then that's what gets you called a racist.

 

[bitslice]

There is nothing wrong in discussing issues around multiculturalism, what is wrong is portraying the criminal minority from any group as being the norm.

Seven times more black people per population are in prison, so while it's wrong to suggest that all black people are criminals, it's permissible to suggest that it's more likely.

Multiculturalism is a great idea, just don't do it anywhere near me.

 

[Xordium]

Seven times more black people per population are in prison, so while it's wrong to suggest that all black people are criminals, it's permissible to suggest that it's more likely.

Multiculturalism is a great idea, just don't do it anywhere near me.

If you were taking those black people and comparing them to whoever else with the same socio-economic factors then you could start making like for like comparisons. What you can say is that black people have a higher chance of going to prison - that way you are safe in your conclusions and include factors such as potential bias in the judicial system, socio-economic factors, etc.

 

[bitslice]

If you were taking those black people and comparing them to whoever else with the same socio-economic factors then you could start making like for like comparisons. What you can say is that black people have a higher chance of going to prison - that way you are safe in your conclusions and include factors such as potential bias in the judicial system, socio-economic factors, etc.

If you are going to hold a negative view of one group then does their background matter? I'm not a social worker, I just don't want to be mugged.

If everyone had the same opportunities then black people are perhaps unlikely to commit crime more than average, but as they don't we can statistically link negative behaviour to colour.

 

[Angilion]

loads of them at my kids school , the persons child will translate for them if the teacher ever tries to speak to them


i guess it takeas a few generations before they will blend in with the rest of the mix

That is possibly the crux of the modern problem (and it is a problem). In the past, yes, immigrants blended in after at most a few generations. Even the Normans did that, and they outright conquered England and smashed their rule into it with staggering brutality and slaughter. Even after that start and even with deliberate segregation being the norm to begin with, their descendents were English within a few generations for most people and not all that much longer even for royalty. Other incoming groups blended in much more quickly. The crux of the modern problem is (i) an unprecedented scale, well beyond even conquests in the past and (ii) much less blending in, with much more deliberate resistance to blending in. That combination could lead to de facto conquest (if any one group or alliance of them gets enough power) or to a country so fragmented that it wouldn't be a country any more (if that doesn't happen).

 

[Xordium]

If you are going to hold a negative view of one group then does their background matter? I'm not a social worker, I just don't want to be mugged.

If everyone had the same opportunities then black people are perhaps unlikely to commit crime more than average, but as they don't we can statistically link negative behaviour to colour.

Good job you aren't a social worker. I think you'd likely fail the degree because it appears you fail to grasp the difference between correlation and causation.

 

[Yas786]

There is nothing wrong in discussing issues around multiculturalism, what is wrong is portraying the criminal minority from any group as being the norm.

+1 and there are quite a few here that do a good job of making that generalisation. I'll refrain from naming them but they arent very hard to figure out.

 

[OpenToSuggestions]

To me, the word 'multicultural' means an area that is rough with high crime. Not because I have anything against someone for being from somewhere else, but because that is all I see on the news.
I have the joy of living close (as in 10+ miles away) from the bumcrack of the UK, otherwise known as Stoke On Trent. That has plenty of white British in it and that is a horrid place to live.

 

[Devrij]

If you are going to hold a negative view of one group then does their background matter? I'm not a social worker, I just don't want to be mugged.

If everyone had the same opportunities then black people are perhaps unlikely to commit crime more than average, but as they don't we can statistically link negative behaviour to colour.

Ridiculous. What about the possibility that there are more white judges, that black people are more likely to face prejudices that place them in a socio economic situation that can make crime more attractive, or that police might be more likely to stop and arrest a black man?

 

[bitslice]

Good job you aren't a social worker. I think you'd likely fail the degree because it appears you fail to grasp the difference between correlation and causation.

Whatever,
If there are proportionally more black people in jail then a black person is more likely to be the one responsible for a crime against me.
There is nothing prejudicial about looking at statistics and deciding who is more likely to do X, I don't have to care about the 'why' if I'm only interested in the 'what'

that black people are more likely to face prejudices that place them in a socio economic situation that can make crime more attractive,

So you are saying poor people are more likely to commit crime, which is what I was saying
There are probably more poor black people than white, possibly leading to a bias in crime, what is so wrong about pointing that out.

 

[UncleRuckus]

Ridiculous. What about the possibility that there are more white judges, that black people are more likely to face prejudices that place them in a socio economic situation that can make crime more attractive, or that police might be more likely to stop and arrest a black man?

Yep, the police are wrong the judges are predudice, the jury are racist too. It has nothing at all to do with them committing crimes.

You know you have a choice committing a crime; I'm poor but I don't go robbing and stealing because I'm not a scumbag.