Discussing Cultural Difference is Taboo?

[bitslice]

Now your veil is falling.

Dramatic music *dun dun durrrrr*

Lol, why are you so desperate to prove selective racism where there is none

I'll have to answer these points later, iPads are not ideal for quoting of multiple questions, even though most have been addressed already and are getting more trivial.

 

[bitslice]

I just happen to know what the word 'ghetto' means.

No you don't, otherwise you wouldn't trot out such guff like there are no ghettos. My example, that road is about 1/2 mile long, every shop along it is Asian, it serves a large Asian community and it great for Asian stuff - it's a ghetto.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto
I don't know Bradford that well but there did appear to be similar areas there.

Do you think the two approaches below are essentially the same?

Yes, show me a high crime white area that doesn't contain any black people.

What are you trying to avoid, being the victim of crime or just meeting people of other colours?

Its not my problem if crime is a black issue so I don't feel the need to apologise for picking on one identifiable group. If chavs feel like helping my decision making process by all wearing Burberry caps are you going to accuse me of anti-chavism?

The accuracy of the statistics aren't in question but rather how you are interpreting that data (and changing your world view as a result).

So despite blacks being proportional more responsible for crime you would have me treat them the same as everyone else for the purposes of political correctness? Super.

And where di you get the data for number of '****ed up chavs' in prison compared to the number of '****ed up chavs' in the UK? Presuming you are consistant and this is why you don't visist those places.

Sorry, that made no sense

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And again you ignore any evidence on crime statistics on the area and just look at the racial makeup of people.

I don't think there was such a thing as online crime statistics when I moved here, hense the need for some blindingly obvious manual assessment.

- are there a large number of black people here?
- are there a large number of chavs here?
- are there a large number of gippos here?

No, great, lets move in.

If some on-line statistics disagree with my analysis then tough, but frankly you know I'm right.

You base a belief on someones criminality on the racial makeup irrespective of any other factor eg education, housing, income, parental boundary setting, types of crimes the police investigate, racial profiling and then extrapolate that onto race as an obvious indicator of criminality.

For the millionth time it doesn't matter what reasons people have to find themselves in jail, it only matters that they are. If they happen to be easily identifiable and that identifiable group is proportionally more likely to be there, then it's blindingly obvious that that group is one to avoid. Unlike you I don't have a problem saying I'm going to avoid a risky group just because they are black.

I'm not going to treat everyone on a case by case basis, their lives are not my problem.

Basically you are only bitching not because the assumption is invalid but because that group is black, and you feel some ridiculous need to be self righteous about it.

Groups that do not have statistically criminal weightings like Sikh Indians and Chinese I have no problems living next door to and have in the past.
Indian people have black faces too if that matters.

You claim to avoid 'black' areas but are not interested in the crime statistics of those areas. And solely exclude on the basis of skin colour.

Do you check online statistics every time you go anywhere? So what makes you think I do.

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Right, I'm done with this, I think everything has been covered twice over and I'd rather be getting on with other stuff. If you think I'm racist for not wanting to live in a poo hole like Birmingham then I don't give a stuff really I have no problems with other races and last time I was online I was still getting on well with my Somalian friend.

 

[semi-pro waster]

I was looking at who is in jail, surely if I want to know who is in a criminal risk group then that is a pretty comprehensive data set to look at?

Propotionally more black people (7 times) in jail means to me that it is sensible to avoid black areas.
Because there is a correlation with poverty I could equally just avoid poor areas, but it's harder to tell a poor person from a black person.

I decided to look it up for myself and there's a Guardian story here which seems to contain the 7x figure you refer to so there's around 15% of the prison population composed of black people compared to around 2.2% of the overall population. It's worth noting however that even including other ethnic minorities you reach around one quarter of the total prison population - this, by process of elimination, means that around 75% of all criminals are not from ethnic minorities. You might then reasonably conclude that you're still much more likely to be a victim of crime because of someone who is white.

This is why I pointed out that the absolute size of population is likely to have some bearing on whether it is worth considering. Small populations will make any statistical movement much larger in percentage terms.

Asking why the proportions are skewed might well be a valid question, avoiding all black people because of it probably isn't a sensible interpretation of the data however.

 

[estebanrey]

No you don't, otherwise you wouldn't trot out such guff like there are no ghettos. My example, that road is about 1/2 mile long, every shop along it is Asian, it serves a large Asian community and it great for Asian stuff - it's a ghetto.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto
I don't know Bradford that well but there did appear to be similar areas there.

Can't be bothered arguing semantics with you but try visiting some of the poorest areas of America and let me know if they are anything like the council estates here.

Yes, show me a high crime white area that doesn't contain any black people.

ANY black people, well obviously I can't because so few places are completely devoid of colour (except for Midsommer which has a pretty high murder rate). It would be like me asking you to show me a high crime area with zero white people in it.

Can you show some evidence that shows as the amount of black people in an area goes up, the crime rate always follows?

Its not my problem if crime is a black issue so I don't feel the need to apologise for picking on one identifiable group.

'crime is a black issue'...did you actually just say that?

If chavs feel like helping my decision making process by all wearing Burberry caps are you going to accuse me of anti-chavism?

Slight difference but chavs can help being chavs. Chavs are pretty much defined as trouble-makers (depending on your definition) so it's no more useful than saying you avoid people with criminal records.

Again, if you saw a young black man 'skanking' down the street being loud and acting all 'gangster' I would have no problem with you crossing the road but would you still cross the road when you see a professional black man wearing a suit and carrying himself like everyone else?

If the answer's no (which I'd hope) then you are not basing your decision on race, if the answer is yes then you are a racist.

So despite blacks being proportional more responsible for crime you would have me treat them the same as everyone else for the purposes of political correctness? Super.

I would suspect if you treat every black person you meet as a potential criminal you have a problem, nothing to do with political correctness but common sense.

Sorry, that made no sense

Your reason for avoiding 'black areas' is because statistically there are more black people in prison that white per head of population.

Therefore one can only presume your decision to avoid Newcastle is based on a similar assessment of the prison population and presumably you found a higher percentage of Geordies in prison.

If that is not how you came to that decision, it only highlights your racism further.

 

[bitslice]

@semi-pro waster
by that I think you mean a small addition of a suspect sample doesn't skew the actual probability of a crime by much? - which seems reasonable.

If that is not how you came to that decision, it only highlights your racism further.

I was going to reply because I hate leaving threads hanging but you are clearly fixated on making me out to be racist
Think what you like, further conversation seems pointless.

 

[Tefal]

You're right, but what does that have to do with anything?

because all you little "oh their immigrants are great i know some and they;re fantastic" is fine for the middle class ones who are in general quite decent, the other ones the unemployed/scummy ones however are nothing like them. And those are the people usually being complained about, but then everyone who knows some nice middle class brown person says how everyone must be a bigot because their little mate is just fabulous.